hello luthier!

[ATAG_Bliss]

Originally Posted by SYN_Repent

I want luthier to spend 30 seconds to let me know (by me a mean the hundreds others as well) of any progress in fixing the game, so I can get some enjoyment out of something I waited years for and spent money on, surely that ain't a lot to ask is it? I'm not asking for daily texts to my mobile, just some sort of information from the devs on the devs forum

Ah. So I take it you missed what was posted today?

5. You can meet more members of the team in my earlier post here, which also contains a sort of a rough roadmap of what we’re currently working on:
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=24240

It is all as I predicted right in the beginning, and got banned for it few times. I told everyone, nobody ever will be able to repair it, IF they will not rewrite it from the scratch! The sounds is, as Luthier is saying, such case...

So I see their real plan - just to sell it in US to the rest of their customer base, which trusted them to provide the patch for the most obvious bugs in this "game". Trust was again broken. Not for the first time, but believe me, nobody cares, because payment transaction is done, and you'll never see your money back. And you have to be patient, as a member of IL2 community, and don't ask unpleasant question. And beware to demand anything!!
They will give you IL2 sturmovik after couple of months, with some bugs corrections, but the engine will be same, there will be still missing any reasonable content. They are following same model as with old IL2... selling addons or "patches"...
Get it or leave. This is their message. I left. I am here just to observe and learn how such marketing strategy is complete failure.

[Vittuuntunut]

Originally Posted by Opitz

It is all as I predicted right in the beginning, and got banned for it few times. I told everyone, nobody ever will be able to repair it, IF they will not rewrite it from the scratch! The sounds is, as Luthier is saying, such case...

So I see their real plan - just to sell it in US to the rest of their customer base, which trusted them to provide the patch for the most obvious bugs in this "game". Trust was again broken. Not for the first time, but believe me, nobody cares, because payment transaction is done, and you'll never see your money back. And you have to be patient, as a member of IL2 community, and don't ask unpleasant question. And beware to demand anything!!
They will give you IL2 sturmovik after couple of months, with some bugs corrections, but the engine will be same, there will be still missing any reasonable content. They are following same model as with old IL2... selling addons or "patches"...
Get it or leave. This is their message. I left. I am here just to observe and learn how such marketing strategy is complete failure.

Amen, brother! This is not a pleasant prophecy, but unfortunately a VERY reasonable one.

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by Opitz

So I see their real plan - just to sell it in US to the rest of their customer base, which trusted them to provide the patch for the most obvious bugs in this "game". Trust was again broken. Not for the first time, but believe me, nobody cares, because payment transaction is done, and you'll never see your money back. And you have to be patient, as a member of IL2 community, and don't ask unpleasant question. And beware to demand anything!!

You can say that trust was broken once the support of this some is discontinued. As of today, the support is here, the bugs are being worked on.. What you`re stating is obviously a lie since your posts contradict the obvious. You have demanded many things and have been listened to. Now you have to give them some time to fix it. Rest assured it will be fixed.

They will give you IL2 sturmovik after couple of months, with some bugs corrections, but the engine will be same, there will be still missing any reasonable content. They are following same model as with old IL2... selling addons or "patches"...

Wrong. The patches/updates have always been free for download. And as this is a very complicated simulation game, there are many things to be featured in such a game. The content "holes" are unavoidable.

Get it or leave. This is their message. I left. I am here just to observe and learn how such marketing strategy is complete failure.

If you`d be so kind, since you left. Also please refrain from posting worthless moaning like above. It is good for your mental health. Thanks in advance.

carguy_ if they hire ROF terrain guy, ROF physics guy, ROF user interface guy, and, omg, the offline campaign ROF guy, it will be MAYBE good yet...

[JG52Krupi]

Lol nice to see that me and JG52Uther are not the only squad members having it out on the banana forums

Bliss you have touched upon a lot of the things I have mentioned (okay okay i know his post is more mature and articulate than mine) but unfortunately the things that are obvious to us (especially the fps comparison) just falls on deaf ears.

Nice try though

@Bliss - I want this sim to succeed...I mean I wouldnt be so frustrated (because of bad performance on my modern rig) that I dont care. I would just trash it. But everything I tried (with all my HW and SW knowledge and years of experience with tweaking wins and games) didnt help. Im still having a bad performance. Its a bit better with textures set to med but then the game is much uglier. And still Im loosing sound online; trees are not there in fact. FM is great (DM better than in ROF) but I dont like how the game looks (except cockpits which are great looking). It looks like a vivid cartoon. And there are occasional stutters too. Builidings and trees are causing problems fps wise. So more or less its unplayable for me in current state. Thats where my frustration comes from.
I really hope one day this sim will be optimised and with improved sounds and landscape, with working trees (not the ghost trees we have now). I cant call this a serious top sim with ghost trees and bad/not working sounds. I know the sim market is small, and small teams are working on top sims. But this is not a finished product, in fact it wasnt even a beta when it was released (IMHO). Thats not a way your getting new/old customers BACK. Thats a worst "marketing".
Hope things will look better in the future.

[wolf74]

Originally Posted by Tvrdi

@Bliss - I want this sim to succeed...I mean I wouldnt be so frustrated (because of bad performance on my modern rig) that I dont care. I would just trash it. But everything I tried (with all my HW and SW knowledge and years of experience with tweaking wins and games) didnt help. Im still having a bad performance. Its a bit better with textures set to med but then the game is much uglier. And still Im loosing sound online; trees are not there in fact. FM is great (DM better than in ROF) but I dont like how the game looks (except cockpits which are great looking). It looks like a vivid cartoon. And there are occasional stutters too. Builidings and trees are causing problems fps wise. So more or less its unplayable for me in current state. Thats where my frustration comes from.
I really hope one day this sim will be optimised and with improved sounds and landscape, with working trees (not the ghost trees we have now). I cant call this a serious top sim with ghost trees and bad/not working sounds. I know the sim market is small, and small teams are working on top sims. But this is not a finished product, in fact it wasnt even a beta when it was released (IMHO). Thats not a way your getting new/old customers BACK. Thats a worst "marketing".
Hope things will look better in the future.

Agree.

[the Dutchman]

[Doc_uk]

Is this, The suckuper thread