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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

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Old 07-15-2011, 04:35 PM
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Agreed on all points but the last, and good on you for being around to help if the US release does go ahead (that CEM startup video thread in Gameplay Questions needs a sticky, that'd stop half the posts right there )

I see how you could read my comment as an equally childish reaction, but I should say it's not a knee-jerk thing. I've had a lot of patience for this game (though at release I was outraged, along with everyone else - but that was inevitable). I'm happy for it to take some time, as long as it ends up utilising its full potential.

It's more that than anything else which is my main concern - the squandering of potential. With each patch, something else seems to break for someone: AA works, then doesn't, we're told crossfire works, but it doesn't, the game uses more memory since the last patch, it's not utilising multiple cores correctly, the MP is b0rked in so many ways it doesn't bear mentioning, preflight loadouts no longer work... etc etc. The list goes on and on.

This would be at least tolerable with regular communication from the developers outlining roughly what improvements they're making and how long it will take to implement them. Over time I've come to realise that, in terms of launch and post-launch support quality, this is quite literally the worst game I have ever purchased. I have never seen, or even heard of a game released in the state that CloD was, let alone to still have massive, obvious issues this long after release.

If this were any other product, the customer would be outraged and rightly so. In the current gaming climate, it is becoming more and more acceptable to release a game in an unfinished state, then patch it. Sometimes it's not the fault of the devs - see recent articles in the gaming press regarding Magicka, which was actually released before the devs thought it would be - and if it is the case that Ubi forced the game out before it was ready, I'm prepared to be a lot more forgiving.

But to release, then press on with no comment, no response or information is no longer acceptable in this communication age. I'm prepared to be patient, I'm prepared to extol the good points of this game and present the problems in a reasonable manner, and my recent review of the game reflects that. But if all communication ceases because they couldn't cope with a few moaners, when in actuality they've received far less flak (no pun intended) than any other release of comparable quality due to the fact that this is a niche genre with few supporters, I would find that quite insulting, and probably respond by simply giving up and buying a different flight sim. Eagle Dynamics have at least the same complexity of task as the 1C devs, and apparently they nearly always find time to respond to their customers - so the line that there's just too much work to do doesn't wash with me.

I have high hopes for this game, and always have. Each day without communication, even if it were merely a 'hi guys, we're still working on it', reduces those hopes, and by extension my desire to support, and play the game. If communication ceases, then my support ceases - not because I want to give them the finger out of spite, but simply because my goodwill only stretches so far.
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Old 07-15-2011, 04:38 PM
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++++1 my point too, but put in an educated way. See altos I'm not the only one who see's that communication makes the games problems bearable.
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Old 07-15-2011, 04:43 PM
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Well i have always said i think they should communicate..i think its the biggest gripe and moan on these forums and i dont understand why a locked thread with small updates isnt here..sure with everything that is posted your open another side by side thread moaning and bitching about said topic but at least were know..
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Old 07-15-2011, 05:45 PM
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i dont understand why a locked thread with small updates isnt here..
Because there are no small updates. There is the dev team, and its members do assigned tasks according to schedule. If milestone is reached, we get an update.

More frequent updates are unlikely, because :
a) no sane manager is going to harass workers by querying them for progress constantly, as that interrupts their work;
b) even if huge amount of information is collected from workers, someone needs to translate it to human language and strip specific details, whose have meaning only to devs. That can easily end with boring weekly "Rendering engine has been modified further" or with something similar.

The point is that we maybe don't get an update, because there is nothing to update us with.
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Old 07-15-2011, 06:06 PM
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Because there are no small updates. There is the dev team, and its members do assigned tasks according to schedule. If milestone is reached, we get an update.

More frequent updates are unlikely, because :
a) no sane manager is going to harass workers by querying them for progress constantly, as that interrupts their work;
b) even if huge amount of information is collected from workers, someone needs to translate it to human language and strip specific details, whose have meaning only to devs. That can easily end with boring weekly "Rendering engine has been modified further" or with something similar.

The point is that we maybe don't get an update, because there is nothing to update us with.
Maybe. But that doesnt change that more and more people start to get upset. Just like me.

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Old 07-15-2011, 07:57 PM
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For me, enough is enough.

I closed an eye looking at pictures of the team (instead of a professional feedback on the status of the game "de-bugging" update) but after two weeks of "incomunicado" this is the end of the game for me.

When it is fixed, I will play again.

Pity but, I have some self-respect and I do not like being mistreated.
I do not regret my two copies of the game and I wish everybody strength and stamina and the hope that the game will be fixed one day and become as popular as IL2!

~S~ and nice summer to everyone
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Old 07-15-2011, 08:04 PM
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For me, enough is enough.

I closed an eye looking at pictures of the team (instead of a professional feedback on the status of the game "de-bugging" update) but after two weeks of "incomunicado" this is the end of the game for me.

When it is fixed, I will play again.

Pity but, I have some self-respect and I do not like being mistreated.
I do not regret my two copies of the game and I wish everybody strength and stamina and the hope that the game will be fixed one day and become as popular as IL2!

~S~ and nice summer to everyone
I agree....
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