Reviewing Luthier's roadmap

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by carguy_

1C are communicating, far more often then other video games I saw. And I saw many of them.

For a product aimed at a niche market in the simulation world, communication in the recent weeks/months has really slumped. Look at the communcation for, say, RoF (don't flame me for this example).
Some may say that we're lucky members of the team are willing to talk at all, but clearly they need our help in polishing the product, so realistically it is to be expected.

It's apples and oranges, really. Find a similar simulation game in the same state as CloD and let's see if the dev team for that are communcating. There isn't really anything suitable to compare to.

[Ataros]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

Look at the communcation for, say, RoF (don't flame me for this example).

RoF team does not have a publisher like UBI or EA which keeps all marketing budget for themselves. Thus they can spend their marketing budget on communication.

When MG becomes an independent studio and you pay them directly you would get same level of communication.

Originally Posted by Ataros

RoF team does not have a publisher like UBI or EA which keeps all marketing budget for themselves. Thus they can spend their marketing budget on communication.

So it would cost 1C money to get any dev to jump on the net and make a quick 5min post once a week, they managed it when they were telling us how uber the game is so we would buy it.

Car Guy & Atros, personally I think you guys are in denial. I really do. And i hope you guys get it that the more you do deny the obvious the more people will turn pessamistic about this situation as it will clearly become obvious that you are denying the facts.

[Ataros]

Originally Posted by BigPickle

So it would cost 1C money to get any dev to jump on the net and make a quick 5min post once a week, they managed it when they were telling us how uber the game is so we would buy it.

The fact is there was some communication and now there is less communication. The rest is our perception and judgment that depends only on our attitude and character, personality. Facts do not have any emotional aspect in them. Perception and judgment are not the facts.

The problem is that you and many others are trying to find the most insulting interpretation to the facts as in the quoted example. The same happens to the fact that European release happened in March, then to the fact that there are many bugs in game and to any other fact being discussed here. If you want to be insulting do not expect people to talk to you again.

Developers had some goodwill to communicate on these forums however they did not have to and instead of the fact they did not have time to. But any facts they provided were interpreted negatively.

1C international forums were created to support other games for which 1C is an international publisher. CloD section is a free bonus and compliment to ungrateful community. I am sure UBI does not pay for it. I am 99% sure there were talks about UBI covering costs of a community manager but as we can see nothing happened.

Could you please specify what I am denying when you say I am in denial and quote where I am denying it?

[furbs]

Rubbish, ROF just has a team that speaks to its community.

Jason from 777 takes time each DAY to talk and answer questions.

[Ataros]

Originally Posted by furbs

Rubbish, ROF just has a team that speaks to its community.

Jason from 777 takes time each DAY to talk and answer questions.

Exactly. This is what I am talking about. 777 is the publisher for RoF developed by Gennadich team and then neoQb team. This is 777's job to talk to customers and customers pay them for this.

When you pay for a game a good percentage of the amount goes to the publisher to cover printing costs, marketing, communication and support costs and investment risks. In case of CloD it went to UBI. In case of RoF it went to 777. You can not hire a communication manager when communication budget belongs to another company. This is how business works.

Denying this is what I call being in denial and wishful thinking. LOL

ps. The above only proves that luthier does not have an obligation to post here every Friday. He had goodwill to do so in the past but you paid for his goodwill by comparing his team to team of monkeys (just as example) and interpreting facts in the most insulting way possible. This fact alone would be enough to cut off his goodwill for some months.

[furbs]

He could, yes.
But it would prob mean going out of business.

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by Ataros

He had goodwill to do so in the past but you paid for his goodwill by comparing his team to team of monkeys (just as example) and interpreting facts in the most insulting way possible.

Woah, Ataros!

That was one member of the forum.

I've been known to be negative myself, but this is largely due to a feeling of being ignored. There is no need to imply that all members of this forum are as crass as others.

A simple 'Hi blokes, how's it going?' from anyone at 1C Maddox would put down a lot of the negativity, including mine. 'It doesn't take much effort', is all the members are saying (sorry if i'm being presumptive here), and it doesn't.

Give it up dutch, this guy has no idea where people are coming from.

Apparently now if you have a problem with the game and you voice your concern and no-one answers, thats because we are insinuating that the dev team are primates, is that right ataros? Dont even bother to answer that one cos I give up mate.

If about seven people in this thread can spell it out to you and you still dont get what people are saying about dialog and communication and want to pretend we are "trying to find the most insulting interpretation to the facts" just because someone else was insulting devs or what ever then fine mate, group me with the idiots i dont really care quite frankly.
The internet gives the world a voice mate. Not all of them you will like or like what they want to say, but they will say it non the less.

"He had goodwill to do so in the past but you paid for his goodwill by comparing his team to team of monkeys (just as example) and interpreting facts in the most insulting way possible. This fact alone would be enough to cut off his goodwill for some months"

So is this FACT that because 1 person made derogatory remarks and the whole forum including yourself should have information witheld from them or is this you again attributing the silence in the most insulting way possible towards people who feel unhappy with the lack of communication. Get my drift.

[Ataros]

Originally Posted by Dutch_851

A simple 'Hi blokes, how's it going?' from anyone at 1C Maddox would put down a lot of the negativity, including mine. 'It doesn't take much effort', is all the members are saying (sorry if i'm being presumptive here), and it doesn't.

I do agree with you that more updates would be good for everyone. But 'Hi blokes, how's it going?' would probably be not enough as the latest update with pictures attracted a lot of negative reaction. Thus there is no point in these 'relationship building' updates.

I think ZaltisZ knows what he is talking about regarding small updates as he works in the dev industry http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...4&postcount=52
Thus there is no points in small updates.

In case the devs would have achieved a milestone by now there would be a beta patch available already and there would no be need for an update.

Everything important was said in the last update (e.g. regarding sound issue). There is no point to repeat it.

I do agree with you that more updates would be good for everyone. My point is people can not demand or expect an update as if it was obligatory and get emotionally unstable and insulting if they do not get it especially on these forums (not publisher's) and especially after insulting the devs. That is why I wrote my 1st message about it saying "Do not be surprised if we get only official updates at UBI and Steam."

If anyone would ask for my opinion why we do not hear from luthier I would guess that they are working night and day again to meet the US release deadline but they are not on time and having major 'negotiations' with UBI about it, which may influence the future of the project much more than Friday updates. Do not be surprised if the project would be closed one day and then resurrected in 3-5 years as independent studio like it happened with BIS Studio (ArmA 2) when they separated with EA (iirc). Only my speculations of cause.

@BigPickle
Your post is negative again and not constructive imo. Just remembered it was you with negative comments on RBflight's sound mod here without a valid reason. http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...45&postcount=6