crash at duxford today [2011]

[Mysticpuma]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

first of all thanks for the very good video, and yes, it's obvious the Skyrider pilot lost visual contact and went too brisk on his manoeuvre, but it's again a fault of who organised the Balbo itself, you don't break off from a Vic formation like that with planes that operate at different speeds. We'll see what the CAA will tell.

GHOUL!!!!!!! Lol!

Shame the video has been removed though

[SEE]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

first of all thanks for the very good video, and yes, it's obvious the Skyrider pilot lost visual contact and went too brisk on his manoeuvre, but it's again a fault of who organised the Balbo itself, you don't break off from a Vic formation like that with planes that operate at different speeds. We'll see what the CAA will tell.

This was a two day event, the Balbo was faultless on the Saturday but they were flying in groups of four not three as on the Sunday, the separation as each pilot left the formation seemed much bigger (as the order went 1, 3, 2 then 4 ?). The commentary broadcast during the entire Balbo was very detailed regards the final break away /timing, etc. Such a pity but it does look like that Skyraider got it wrong.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

it's not a matter of what you can salvage, it's a matter of bureaucracy/paperwork.. you can't save much from there, but enough to reuse the same reg. Give it a 4 years time and you might see her back in the air, better than before..

So it would be a completely new AC, with the old reg though.
What's so important about the reg?

[ElAurens]

I have seen a mid 50's Ferrari that was "rebuilt" from nothing more than the original serial number plate and a door hinge. (After a fire). Totally accepted by the Ferrari cognoscenti.

There is nothing new about this. Certain vehicles, be they earth bound or airborne, command values that make raising them from the ashes a profitable proposition.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

I have seen a mid 50's Ferrari that was "rebuilt" from nothing more than the original serial number plate and a door hinge. (After a fire). Totally accepted by the Ferrari cognoscenti.

I know someone who went to jail for selling such a ferrari for 4M.
He "forgot" to tell the buyer.
And no, you're not accepted, if show up with a 3xx they will even laugh about u.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by swiss

So it would be a completely new AC, with the old reg though.
What's so important about the reg?

Well one thing is a restoration of an existing aircraft,which was registered under an aviation authority (the German one in this specific case,since the plane had just been bought) and was classified under "North American Aviation P-51D Mustang",and another is building a mustang from nothing,which in the US would go under the Expedimental category,but won't be accepted in Europe. Truth is that it's the same thing,cos it will be an extensive rebuild of the plane,but if you manage to save a minor part of the original hull,you can still claim it as the original machine. The fact that BBD didn't catch fire means that someone will buy the wreck and build himself a Mustang from scratch,using other parts from other planes and a zeroed Merlin,it's only aatter of time. There are genuine warbirds out there,and reassembled ones,which are as good (if not better!) than the others,but dont have a pedigree.
Back in the days it didnt really matter,but now collectors look into this a lot.

[Sternjaeger II]

As for someone who mentioned the insurance,it really depends on how they insured it. With this kinda planes u can go for a third party only (mandatory) and then choose to insure the plane itself,and u can also insure just a percentage of it. Bear in mind that insuring something like a P-51 can cost some £40k a year..

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

Well one thing is a restoration of an existing aircraft,which was registered under an aviation authority (the German one in this specific case,since the plane had just been bought) and was classified under "North American Aviation P-51D Mustang",and another is building a mustang from nothing,which in the US would go under the Expedimental category,but won't be accepted in Europe. Truth is that it's the same thing,cos it will be an extensive rebuild of the plane,but if you manage to save a minor part of the original hull,you can still claim it as the original machine.

Aah - ok, I see.
Thx for the explanation.

[ckolonko]

Originally Posted by swiss

Ok which parts u want to reuse?

This thing fell down from what, 300yards, angle was >30°
Frame:gone
Wings: dito
Tail: dito
Engine: if your lucky the block made it

You can't even use the sheet aluminium.

so you can use a few parts(<5%?) in a brand new plane.
Part it and sell the parts - why go through a restoration?
There are more than 150 P51 in flying condition.

It's a matter of provenance. Simple as that.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by ckolonko

Just saying its a possibility if the owner wants to. Christ on a bloody bike.

watch your swearing buddy, we got particularly zealous mods around here