crash at duxford today [2011]

[ckolonko]

The BBC video shows the wreckage of the P-51. From what I saw there is more than enough left of the 'plane to rebuild it. They have rebuilt Spitfires from less parts.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by ckolonko

the bbc video shows the wreckage of the p-51. From what i saw there is more than enough left of the 'plane to rebuild it. They have rebuilt spitfires from less parts.

rofl!

[JG52Krupi]

Have only seen the wreck on the distant pics but I hope your proven right or at least it's turned into a static rebuild it is one of the more famous survivors.

[ZG26-extralarge]

i dont think we will see bbd back in the air.....

I was airborne when it haopened,good to know that Rob miraculously got out ok!

I believe that the accident happened for three reasons:
1) you DON'T do that opening from a Vic formation,you do it from Echelon,poor planning made by people that obviously aren't that competent.

2) you tend not to do these manoeuvres with planes that have different performances,and if you do..

3) ..you dont go for a 2 secs break interval,you go for a 5 secs one.

Flying Legends has been under the CAA radar for years cos of it's previous accidents,this might well be the last year of it,cos it's a mixture of pilot's error (one French pilot has been grounded on Sat,the other one will be as well probably) and inadequate preparation/briefing.

Lots of pilots with mixed experience,a lot of planes all over the place..
I was there on Sat and me and my friend from the Air Force were a bit surprised by some of the procedures..

Anyway,on a funny/gossip note: the plane had just been sold to a new German owner,who was watching the show,so there must have been the French pilot going "XXXX!",the English pilot going "XXXX!" and the German owner going "XXXXXXXX!" all at the same time

[Viper2000]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger

Flying Legends has been under the CAA radar for years cos of it's previous accidents,this might well be the last year of it,cos it's a mixture of pilot's error (one French pilot has been grounded on Sat,the other one will be as well probably) and inadequate preparation/briefing.

The closest thing to a warbird crash I've ever seen was a Martlet conducting a barrel roll at Duxford from an inadvisable altitude, bottoming out so low that I couldn't help but close my eyes (<10 feet; it was very "barrelled", the peak being perhaps 80 feet, and it seemed pretty obvious that the pilot had just underestimated how much it would drop during the rest of the manoeuvre - perhaps he was used to flying something which rolled faster?). That was probably 15 years ago or more.

The funny thing is that almost nobody else seemed to take any notice. Only about half were even watching (it wasn't a big airshow day), and I suppose most of the people who were assumed that it was deliberate. Perhaps it was, but I doubt it, and if it was then the pilot was rather too bold for my taste.

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger

Anyway,on a funny/gossip note: the plane had just been sold to a new German owner,who was watching the show,so there must have been the French pilot going "*****!",the English pilot going "****!" and the German owner going "********!" all at the same time

All of which would probably have been as nothing when compared with the tirade coming from the insurer's office...

Duxford has a terrible cross wind, and in years gone by this has been blamed. The state of the runway is dreadful, it is littered with FOD all over from the damage to it which is never or rarely repaired.
It is a great shame as Flying Legends is the only place to see all these beautiful aircraft at once, but thats part of the problem, too many aircraft in the air and on the ground at once without extra vigilant co-ordination.

There is something deeply wrong with the display's setup and co-ordination, 4 deaths and countless accidents resulting in the loss of some very rare aircraft including the Blenhiem, P38, Air Cobra, Hurricane and Spitfire just to name the major ones in the last 15 years shows that actions need to be taken.
I think their future looks very bleek right now and as sad as i am to say it quite rightly so.
Crowd managment is a shambles, you can actually walk around to the back side of the field to watch the display! If ever a plane came down there, there would be major fatalities.
Last year with the 16 spitfires, my life ! It was a stunning sight but take off was like wacky racers, it looked totally un organized. Scary stuff.
Also they push the boundaries in how close they fly to the crowd for sure.

[JG52Krupi]

Giant carebear wait for the official report before jumping down officials throat.

No one died that is the main thing.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by BigPickle

Duxford has a terrible cross wind, and in years gone by this has been blamed. The state of the runway is dreadful, it is littered with FOD all over from the damage to it which is never or rarely repaired.

whoa whoa whoa, there's no terrible crosswind in Duxford man, who said that? Besides, you can't always blame crosswind for a landing accident, it's normally cos people venture out when they shouldn't.

It is a great shame as Flying Legends is the only place to see all these beautiful aircraft at once, but thats part of the problem, too many aircraft in the air and on the ground at once without extra vigilant co-ordination.

There is something deeply wrong with the display's setup and co-ordination, 4 deaths and countless accidents resulting in the loss of some very rare aircraft including the Blenhiem, P38, Air Cobra, Hurricane and Spitfire just to name the major ones in the last 15 years shows that actions need to be taken.
I think their future looks very bleek right now and as sad as i am to say it quite rightly so.

Completely agree on this one.

Crowd managment is a shambles, you can actually walk around to the back side of the field to watch the display! If ever a plane came down there, there would be major fatalities.
Last year with the 16 spitfires, my life ! It was a stunning sight but take off was like wacky racers, it looked totally un organized. Scary stuff.
Also they push the boundaries in how close they fly to the crowd for sure.

well some of the nearby fields are privately held, and you can't forbid people to go there if the land owner is ok with it unfortunately.

But yeah, they're pushing the boundaries and there are two or three usual suspects that fly well outside safety measures..

[bongodriver]

I have seen 3 fatal crashes first hand, one was the sea fury 'baby gorilla' which Paul morgan was killed in, and in 2 separate incidents I have lost 4 colleagues and a good aquaintance (Ted Girdler) killed in a display at eastbourne.

it may seem 'inhuman' to some the concept of filming a fatal crash but the footage would be more than usefull for investigations and could even be beneficial to answer questions bereaved relatives may have...when they are ready for it, if you are filming anyway....like many do at airshows or just aviation enthusiasts who film everything that fly's then dont stop recording for the sake of some misguided 'respect', just dont give the footage to the media or youtube first.

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