IL2 and Sound Modding

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by jasonbirder

Thats because they aren't played online through ASE or Hyperlobby...
How many World of Warcraft games are there on Hyperlobby? None? Doesn't mean its not popular though does it?
Ive been playing Falcon 4.0 online in various versions for over 6 years...never once through Hyperlobby
Flight Simulation doesn't begin and end with Hyperlobby!
There is another world out there...Offline, Squadron based, Peer to Peer, Co-op missions...that make up the vast majority of play!

Pfft!! Be all that as it may be... I bet the numbers still don't add up to Hyperlobby on a good night. I bet cyberspace is teaming with people flying all those great sims online....

Originally Posted by stalkervision

Psss...Bearcat check out "Bunnie"
http://21stcenturytoys.com/1_18_scale.html#Anchor-49575

A bit late on that one... LMAO.. had it about a year now.. I got it before it was released..

Originally Posted by Sunchaser

In order to answer that question all you have to do is go online to ASE or HL and see .... just how many people are flying those other sims mentioned that have " been the subject of extensive community and third party modification... " then ask yourself why that is.. and you will have your own answer in a nutshell... It is a shame that it had to be this way.. but it is what it is.

Could it be that the online functions of those other games suck?

I dont know... the only sim I ever had the chance to fly that "benifitted" from modding was the MS series... and the rest I can only speak about from hearsay.. but from what I saw of the MS series.. sure there were some good mods out there... but I think I DLd more bad ones than good.. and after a while I got tired of trying to keep track...

I do agree with you on that last one though Jason... about the DF rooms.. I got tired of that in the FFAs on the Zone... in fact if I hadnt discovered IL2 I might not e en be simming now... I am sure I am not alone in that respect either.

[Thrud]

i fly with 85-95 pilots at once, 3 times a week. on that server, over 60% connect direct ip. they aren't on HL or ASE.

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by Thrud

i fly with 85-95 pilots at once, 3 times a week. on that server, over 60% connect direct ip. they aren't on HL or ASE.

except of course you fail to mention that this server doesnt allow cheating either, and i know it well since i use that server myself.

when initially a new improved version of some sound files existed, it was seen as a good thing and was allowed to be used. but it wasnt openly posted in their forum that the hacked file which was used also could have included altered flight models, and now they are also starting to have problems with people using "improved" flight models and other hacked files.

so what do you think will happen to a good server like that if more and more people use uncontrolled hacked files ?

[Thrud]

Originally Posted by zapatista

so what do you think will happen to a good server like that if more and more people use uncontrolled hacked files ?

they would be banned and i'd fly with 85-95 pilots -1 cheater. the tracks would spot them.
i'm not worried. cheaters will cheat. just because i lock my car doesn't mean it still won't get stolen. thieves will thieve, cheaters will cheat.

all is needed is better ways to catch them.

hey, i got an idea. lets take away the spoons and forks from overweight people. that will cure them.

[stalkervision]

Originally Posted by Thrud

they would be banned and i'd fly with 85-95 pilots -1 cheater. the tracks would spot them.
i'm not worried. cheaters will cheat. just because i lock my car doesn't mean it still won't get stolen. thieves will thieve, cheaters will cheat.

all is needed is better ways to catch them.

hey, i got an idea. lets take away the spoons and forks from overweight people. that will cure them.

cheaters always cheat and will cheat always. I quit on-line play ages ago because of non-hack cheating behavior I reqularly saw. I just got sick of all the pathetic childish nonsense in on-line play.

All I want is some basic nice improvments to Il-2 that are long over do in coming. The game is a done deal now even with that little patch that is promised and every whiner quotes as some kind of prof of continuing support..PLEASE! You on-line people police your own play and leave us off-liners out of your paraniod dellusional nonesense will you? If you can't police your own servers who's fault is it but your own. There is plenty of on-line non-hack cheating going on all the time that I would think you would have enough things to worry about on your plate already without making us a witch hunt target for your continuing frustrations.

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by Thrud

they would be banned and i'd fly with 85-95 pilots -1 cheater. the tracks would spot them.

That`s too naive...are you suggesting that you can dig out anyone who lightened his plane by few hundred kg or added few hundred horsepower?It is close to impossible.The server does not see the difference and you won`t either, even if you monitored the same trk over and over.Because AFAIK there is no utility that monitors flying parameters depending on a trk.As an experienced online pilot I know what a subtle and impossible to detect change in flight parameters can do - I can give myself a slight parameter advantage and win just about every engagement.You will not be able to prove that I modified something, ever.

i'm not worried. cheaters will cheat. just because i lock my car doesn't mean it still won't get stolen. thieves will thieve, cheaters will cheat.

all is needed is better ways to catch them.

Great, you`re not worried.Just stop misinforming the folks here.
Lets start out that there was a cheat proof system before.None of those cheats were able to ruin the play.They were easily detectable.
Now, we have a grotesque situation where those who got over the cheating long ago, actually opened the way to cheats that ruin the very fundamental aspect of the game - FM/DM. Those were untouchable until the hacking squad cracked the code.

So your carlock "analogy" is flawed. In IL2 case, the car was thief - proof because even if the thieves could take away your wheels, damage your car, they could never actually drive it away.
The hack squad has given them a remote control device that unlocks the car and starts the engine.

The theives don`t have the adequate documents to drive the car but in IL2 world there is no police that would stop them from stealing the car.

You support the very destruction of this sim`s fundamental coding design.

You destroy the fun for a group of people and tell them to deal with it themselves.

hey, i got an idea. lets take away the spoons and forks from overweight people. that will cure them.

Overweight people actually don`t hurt you at all, the don`t spoil your meaning of life or anything, well maybe your esthetic sense but that is their business if they eat too much.

Hence that analogy is flawed also.

[Thrud]

Originally Posted by carguy_

That`s too naive...are you suggesting that you can dig out anyone who lightened his plane by few hundred kg or added few hundred horsepower?It is close to impossible.The server does not see the difference and you won`t either, even if you monitored the same trk over and over.Because AFAIK there is no utility that monitors flying parameters depending on a trk.As an experienced online pilot I know what a subtle and impossible to detect change in flight parameters can do - I can give myself a slight parameter advantage and win just about every engagement.You will not be able to prove that I modified something, ever. .

before i answer that, do you know the context of my comment? do you know the server that Zap and were talking about and the rules and methods we use on that server?

Great, you`re not worried.Just stop misinforming the folks here.
Lets start out that there was a cheat proof system before.None of those cheats were able to ruin the play.They were easily detectable.

there were ways to cheat before the code was accessed "openly". the cheaters haven't changed, just the tools. Is your ego that fragile that you can't stand being shot down? surround yourself with people you trust, fly with friends. yes i'm not worried.

You support the very destruction of this sim`s fundamental coding design.

You destroy the fun for a group of people and tell them to deal with it themselves.

i support people doing what they want with a product they bought as long as they don't make money off of it. (modding it and selling it as something else). i support you painting/modding your own car. i support you cutting the legs off your pants and wearing them as shorts. (as long as you don't sell them under the brand "carguy shorts")

relax, the modders are only hurting those with fragile online egos that can't find friends to fly with. stay cool in those modded pants


oh, btw

Overweight people actually don`t hurt you at all, the don`t spoil your meaning of life or anything, well maybe your esthetic sense but that is their business if they eat too much.

Hence that analogy is flawed also.

they don't hurt me physicaly,(unless next to them in coach class) but the do hurt my pocket book when they raise all my insurance rates to deal with the heathcare costs of dealing with the health issues that come with being overweight. i have a few overweight buddies that i'd like to take flying with me but i can't due to the weight and balance limitations of the plane i fly.

[Baron]

I wonder what the promodders will come up with next?

By all means, keep the smokescreens comming.


As said before, "we" can all use a good laugh.




The first modder who says "yes, i use mods and yes i know its wrong and yes its unfair to Oleg" would atleast get the respect from beeing honest.



BTW. take a look at this....missed it myselfe untill today.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/t...3/m/7011013516

[stalkervision]

[QUOTE=Bearcat;30728]Pfft!! Be all that as it may be... I bet the numbers still don't add up to Hyperlobby on a good night. I bet cyberspace is teaming with people flying all those great sims online....





A bit late on that one... LMAO.. had it about a year now.. I got it before it was released..




before it was even released huh? excellent... !