IL2 and Sound Modding

[Baron]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

I disagree ... actually.. the hackers are the ones who make the mods... the modders are the ones who use them.... and really.... do you think their parents really care? I mean come on... and what makes you think these guys are kids? Most of them probably have kids...

Y'see this is the kind of talk that does absolutely nothing to the conversation.. this is the kind of stuff that comes from both sides that is just absolutely meaningless...
I do agree with you that this is a slap in Oleg's face... which is one of the reasons why I have still held off on any of this until I hear something from Oleg or 1C on the subject.. even if that something is just 4.09. Since I am pretty satisfied with the sim as it is.... I will wait... after 4.09? Who knows... if 1C is no longer going to support the sim...

I know enough mature, serious people some who are already using these mods so that if I wanted to fly in a competitive non geek infested venue.. I know where to go... and as I said... just to be totally honest.... some of the things I have seen from visiting their site looks good.. there is no denying that.... Although I have my opinions on the initial deed, how it was done and what could ensue as a result of that.. I refuse to just lambaste all these guys and lump them all together into one big ugly bunch... because their community like any other is not a monolith... and we can debate the morality etc etc till the cows come home and start playong trombones... but it wont change the facts, turn ack the clock or stem the tide... but we can try to set a tone.. instead of all this childishness.

With all due respect BC, we can talk semantics or split hairs all day long.....doesnt change the facts one bit.

And off course i dont think parents care, thats not the point im trying to make.

As for the "kiddie" ramark..well, i dont care how old u are, if your a grown up, act like it. (Not directed at u off course. )

Pretty much every singel defence iv seen on the part of modders is the same tactics kidds use when trying to justify something they know is wrong. This "i whant, i whant, i whant" mentality makes my skin crawl....litterarly. Dont care if your 102, if u cant understand the word "no" u might as well be a 5-year old.

Sure, go on, use the mods...but for the love of god, why is it so important to let every singel person on gods green earth know about it. Especially in here and at UBIzoo? A lot of people have said time and time again , please knock it of. Why cant they just respect that, since as far as we all know thats Olegs wish to? Its complete lack of respect. "They" can demand respect and "no insults please"...but "We" cant, is that it?

U agree on it beeing a slap in Olegs face....do we really need more cause than that, and here in his "home" to boot?. The debate should end right there and then....but still it goes on and on and on and on and on.

People can shift the focus on to anything they like, faul language, insults or whatever...doesnt change facts one bit.


Not one bit.


But in the end u and Uther and others are right, insults wont get us anywhere. Not even the "right" thing or facts gets us anywhere, so why would insults. Im truly sorry if i "insulted" anyone in person, that wasnt my intention.


But the facts are:


Oleg could come in here 2 min from now and say " i will approve every and all modds/hacks made in IL2"...still does not change the wrong doing allredy commited. And i for one have a very good memory.

The only thing that will get us anywhere is saying exactly what the modders wanna hear/agree with them, nothing else.

People damands respect one sec just to slap u (Oleg) in the face the other. That kind of "logic" truly worries me.

Thx and bye bye.