IL2 and Sound Modding

[Baron]

The fact that hackers/modders ( yes, in this case they are one and the same) goes so far as to put any cockpit into an AI ac to get it flyable speaks volumes in my oppinion.

Has nothing whatsoever to do with "fixing" things that are "wrong", its just another case of wanting what u kiddies cant get, plain and simple.

Id hate to be any of your parents at christmas time....really.


Canging a canopy or a bar (to what u THINK is correct with NOTHING to back it up really) is one thing, but u all are STILL completly missing the POINT: "U" cracked the code and thereby STOLE the oppertunity to make those changes.

Keep talking about the upsides, how u all just play offline and onliners are selfless whiners, how u just fixed things that allredy needed "fixing", how u all just wanna help (there`s a laugh), and so on. Fact of the matter is: u dont know what damage u did, noone does, maby u modders just completly fucked up ANY possibility of getting what u all wanted, legaly, simply because u just couldnt wait a little bit longer, noone can know for sure, exept Oleg. If that turns out to be the facts, all i can say is: Way to go dudes.

Just remember, everytime u favor the hacking of IL2 u slap Oleg right in the face....and u morons even go into his "house" to do it. So much lack of respect i dont even know where to begin.

When i think about it i think thats what gets my shorts in a knot the most...the arrogance.

That alone tells me there is NOTHING anyone can say to change you kiddies minds, after all...u are all knowing, right?


Your family and friends must be real proud. I mean, with that kind of knowlage u should be able to make your first million in a matter of weeks, right?


P.S. Yah, i know, taking a moral approach to the problem is waaaay over u peoples heads, u proppably laugh at the very notion.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Baron

The fact that hackers/modders ( yes, in this case they are one and the same) goes so far as to put any cockpit into an AI ac to get it flyable speaks volumes in my oppinion.

Has nothing whatsoever to do with "fixing" things that are "wrong", its just another case of wanting what u kiddies cant get, plain and simple.

Id hate to be any of your parents at christmas time....really.


Canging a canopy or a bar (to what u THINK is correct with NOTHING to back it up really) is one thing, but u all are STILL completly missing the POINT: "U" cracked the code and thereby STOLE the oppertunity to make those changes.

Keep talking about the upsides, how u all just play offline and onliners are selfless whiners, how u just fixed things that allredy needed "fixing", how u all just wanna help (there`s a laugh), and so on. Fact of the matter is: u dont know what damage u did, noone does, maby u modders just completly fucked up ANY possibility of getting what u all wanted, legaly, simply because u just couldnt wait a little bit longer, noone can know for sure, exept Oleg. If that turns out to be the facts, all i can say is: Way to go dudes.

Just remember, everytime u favor the hacking of IL2 u slap Oleg right in the face....and u morons even go into his "house" to do it. So much lack of respect i dont even know where to begin.

When i think about it i think thats what gets my shorts in a knot the most...the arrogance.

That alone tells me there is NOTHING anyone can say to change you kiddies minds, after all...u are all knowing, right?


Your family and friends must be real proud. I mean, with that kind of knowlage u should be able to make your first million in a matter of weeks, right?


P.S. Yah, i know, taking a moral approach to the problem is waaaay over u peoples heads, u proppably laugh at the very notion.

I disagree ... actually.. the hackers are the ones who make the mods... the modders are the ones who use them.... and really.... do you think their parents really care? I mean come on... and what makes you think these guys are kids? Most of them probably have kids...

Y'see this is the kind of talk that does absolutely nothing to the conversation.. this is the kind of stuff that comes from both sides that is just absolutely meaningless...
I do agree with you that this is a slap in Oleg's face... which is one of the reasons why I have still held off on any of this until I hear something from Oleg or 1C on the subject.. even if that something is just 4.09. Since I am pretty satisfied with the sim as it is.... I will wait... after 4.09? Who knows... if 1C is no longer going to support the sim...

I know enough mature, serious people some who are already using these mods so that if I wanted to fly in a competitive non geek infested venue.. I know where to go... and as I said... just to be totally honest.... some of the things I have seen from visiting their site looks good.. there is no denying that.... Although I have my opinions on the initial deed, how it was done and what could ensue as a result of that.. I refuse to just lambaste all these guys and lump them all together into one big ugly bunch... because their community like any other is not a monolith... and we can debate the morality etc etc till the cows come home and start playong trombones... but it wont change the facts, turn ack the clock or stem the tide... but we can try to set a tone.. instead of all this childishness.

[stalkervision]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

I disagree ... actually.. the hackers are the ones who make the mods... the modders are the ones who use them.... and really.... do you think their parents really care? I mean come on... and what makes you think these guys are kids? Most of them probably have kids...

Y'see this is the kind of talk that does absolutely nothing to the conversation.. this is the kind of stuff that comes from both sides that is just absolutely meaningless...
I do agree with you that this is a slap in Oleg's face... which is one of the reasons why I have still held off on any of this until I hear something from Oleg or 1C on the subject.. even if that something is just 4.09. Since I am pretty satisfied with the sim as it is.... I will wait... after 4.09? Who knows... if 1C is no longer going to support the sim...

I know enough mature, serious people some who are already using these mods so that if I wanted to fly in a competitive non geek infested venue.. I know where to go... and as I said... just to be totally honest.... some of the things I have seen from visiting their site looks good.. there is no denying that.... Although I have my opinions on the initial deed, how it was done and what could ensue as a result of that.. I refuse to just lambaste all these guys and lump them all together into one big ugly bunch... because their community like any other is not a monolith... and we can debate the morality etc etc till the cows come home and start playong trombones... but it wont change the facts, turn ack the clock or stem the tide... but we can try to set a tone.. instead of all this childishness.

sounds like a plan to me....

[stalkervision]

One thing I don't agree with is this constant "slap in the face" nonsense. If I were a game developer and developed a game that had a very long run without being changed whatsoever and then decided not to support it anymore IMO it would hardly be a slap in the face to me if the community members that owned that game and only wanted it to continue and get even better out of a true love for the game choose to further support and improve it all on their own. Rather, I would be very proud I developed a game people loved enough to keep supporting and improving on after newer and better ones were on the horizon.

[1.JaVA_Sharp]

Originally Posted by stalkervision

One thing I don't agree with is this constant "slap in the face" nonsense. If I were a game developer and developed a game that had a very long run without being changed whatsoever and then decided not to support it anymore IMO it would hardly be a slap in the face to me if the community members that owned that game and only wanted it to continue and get even better out of a true love for the game choose to further support and improve it all on their own. Rather, I would be very proud I developed a game people loved enough to keep supporting and improving on after newer and better ones were on the horizon.

you have a point. Now read mine. I kind of expected this to happen but only after the release of much expected 4.09 patch. By that time I figure Oleg will have shifted into high gear with SOW (or so I hope) so therefore, I understand the mod/hack side of things, but I also understand the opposition against it.

[stalkervision]

Originally Posted by 1.JaVA_Sharp

you have a point. Now read mine. I kind of expected this to happen but only after the release of much expected 4.09 patch. By that time I figure Oleg will have shifted into high gear with SOW (or so I hope) so therefore, I understand the mod/hack side of things, but I also understand the opposition against it.

Thanks for that kind mention that I have a point! Actually buddy, Oleg has already switched gears here though few people know it. He has just a few individuals finishing up a very limited last patch is all of il-2. He totally admits it too in his interviews.

[crazyivan1970]

It is hard to understand analogies when they dont make any sense stalkervision... i doubt you understand that But that`s ok... go on.

[stalkervision]

Not talking about you whatsoever buddy but I really don't think people realise how smart a guy oleg is. He knows il-2 is an old, over the hill game, himself because he developed it! A good one to be sure but that is the facts. He is now putting all his resources or almost all of them into a new and much better game engine. The people that want to keep Il-2 unchanged are living in the past tense...

[crazyivan1970]

Oh my... it just keeps getting better LOL...

[stalkervision]

Originally Posted by crazyivan1970

Oh my... it just keeps getting better LOL...

with these kind of comments it does. Apparently your new,no comment comment clause is null and void now huh?

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