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Old 12-10-2007, 05:06 PM
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What are you talking about Baron? How can Oleg lose money from il2 because of modding?
The only way he could lose is from the no cd /no dvd files out there.I did not see so much complaints from everyone when they became public knowledge,all I saw was 'where can I get them'.

Allow me to answer that one for you Uhter...

1) Believe it or not.. 1946 still sells, but i am sure that will stop soon, if not already (who wants to buy hacked sim - raise your hands!)
2) Pulling progamming lead off SOW development - That`s not free either...
3) And possible sale of IL-2 to third party as already mentioned....


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Old 12-10-2007, 05:08 PM
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Oh yea... and let me remind you for 1000s time... those who think that they know how to mod IL-2 need to stop kidding themselves and others. Modding requires tools and knowledge... everything else is hacking - end of story
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Old 12-10-2007, 07:27 PM
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Wow..........alot has happened since I last posted here!

I can understand both sides of the issue. What I do see is a very, very vocal MINORITY, who is worried about what this mod does to online play. Did not Oleg Maddox once say that the MAJORITY of sales of this game is to offline players? If you fly regularly with people you know, what is the problem? It is always a hit or miss afair when you fly on public servers.

Lets see what "whining" from the online crowd has added to this game;

1. Bombs a torpedos that do NO damage after the pilot is killed..... "Oleg, he may use a Kamakaze attack to sink my carrier!" Very, very realistic.......NOT !

2. The LW 30mm boomstick......I seem to remember a post from Oleg a fews years back were he admitted that the ROF for the weapon is too high, but he would not change it for fear of the whines that would happen.

3. No cockpit.............. nuff said, VERY REAL!!

4. Icons............again, nuff said.

Those are to top 4 that I can think of. Yes, I know, items 3 and 4 can be shut off. But then again, 99.9% of the Onwhine(tm) players would not fly.

I heard to other day at the local Media Markt (tm), 2 young guys talking about the mods, both told me that they have BOUGHT the game because of some, not all of the mods that they have seen. The group they play online and at LANS with have decided to get away from the FPS and give a try at this game. One main factor in now buying the game (other than it costs now only 15 Euro), was what this mod has (in their opinion) brought to the game.

BOTH sides have justified beefs for and against what is now happening to the game. What is very sad, is that some people just see ONLY one side of the coin. Very sad indeed.

The old " I am right , you is wrong" attitude. And honestly, it is getting a little sick now. People who I have read posts from and who I thought were smart and upstanding members of the community have turned out to be rather stubborn in their views.

BTW, I have 2 setups, plain vanilla and banna-fudge-walnut sundae version of the game. One for onwhine(tm) and one for offline.

I think some should take a chill-pill and let history run it's course (were as, ALL online games will someday be hacked/modded).


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Old 12-10-2007, 07:40 PM
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Wow..........alot has happened since I last posted here!

I can understand both sides of the issue. What I do see is a very, very vocal MINORITY, who is worried about what this mod does to online play. Did not Oleg Maddox once say that the MAJORITY of sales of this game is to offline players? If you fly regularly with people you know, what is the problem? It is always a hit or miss afair when you fly on public servers.

Lets see what "whining" from the online crowd has added to this game;

1. Bombs a torpedos that do NO damage after the pilot is killed..... "Oleg, he may use a Kamakaze attack to sink my carrier!" Very, very realistic.......NOT !

2. The LW 30mm boomstick......I seem to remember a post from Oleg a fews years back were he admitted that the ROF for the weapon is too high, but he would not change it for fear of the whines that would happen.

3. No cockpit.............. nuff said, VERY REAL!!

4. Icons............again, nuff said.

Those are to top 4 that I can think of. Yes, I know, items 3 and 4 can be shut off. But then again, 99.9% of the Onwhine(tm) players would not fly.

I heard to other day at the local Media Markt (tm), 2 young guys talking about the mods, both told me that they have BOUGHT the game because of some, not all of the mods that they have seen. The group they play online and at LANS with have decided to get away from the FPS and give a try at this game. One main factor in now buying the game (other than it costs now only 15 Euro), was what this mod has (in their opinion) brought to the game.

BOTH sides have justified beefs for and against what is now happening to the game. What is very sad, is that some people just see ONLY one side of the coin. Very sad indeed.

The old " I am right , you is wrong" attitude. And honestly, it is getting a little sick now. People who I have read posts from and who I thought were smart and upstanding members of the community have turned out to be rather stubborn in their views.

BTW, I have 2 setups, plain vanilla and banna-fudge-walnut sundae version of the game. One for onwhine(tm) and one for offline.

I think some should take a chill-pill and let history run it's course (were as, ALL online games will someday be hacked/modded).


DerAlte
excellent post.....two versions HUH? SMART!
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Old 12-10-2007, 09:48 PM
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Allow me to answer that one for you Uhter...

1) Believe it or not.. 1946 still sells, but i am sure that will stop soon, if not already (who wants to buy hacked sim - raise your hands!)
2) Pulling progamming lead off SOW development - That`s not free either...
3) And possible sale of IL-2 to third party as already mentioned....


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Does this answer make sense Uther?
No.Where I live sturmo 46 is available freely in the bargain bins.People I know are buying it BECAUSE of the new flyables.
If Oleg has pulled his programming lead off of SoW work to fix 4.09 then that would be interesting news as Oleg has already said he does not have time to fix it.
Last I heard Oleg was not going to release the code to 3rd parties.Obviously you have much more info than we do Ivan,so we must be all wrong and you right.
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Old 12-10-2007, 10:20 PM
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Allright. I`ll clarify...

Maybe where you live it is bragain Uther. Here it is still 19.99, not a big money... but still.

Oleg said, yes, he will not devote any more resources on 4.09 which is correct... but he meant code protection (encription), not the server side protection. Gotta read what he said carefully

There is nowhere on this board or any other board Oleg stated that outsourcing IL-2 to 3rd party is out of the question. What he said was... they don`t have time to create additional features for 3rd party or train them, which will make modding of IL-2 easier. Currently they are not looking for 3rd party from what i know. In the future - maybe, he never said never.


Look, you can defend hackers all you want guys, they are bunch of nice guys, highly motivated and willing to make everyone here happy... but mark my words, it`s a matter of months before many of you will ask yourself a question... WTF was i thinking. And since it`s pure determination now to have all those so called goodies, i bet if 4.09 is released, quiet a few people will get on breaking what was included in there ASAP... and probably succeed. I promise not to participate in such discussions again. Have it your way..
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Old 12-11-2007, 04:22 AM
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.... but mark my words, it`s a matter of months before many of you will ask yourself a question... WTF was i thinking. And since it`s pure determination now to have all those so called goodies, i bet if 4.09 is released, quiet a few people will get on breaking what was included in there ASAP... and probably succeed. I promise not to participate in such discussions again. Have it your way! So let it be written,so let it be done.."



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Thor define "purists" ...

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.... any documented cheating online jet ?
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Old 12-11-2007, 10:06 AM
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.... any documented cheating online jet ?

All i know is just this weekend i saw a red flier respawn and takeoff from blue airfield several times, even shot him down once when he took of from my airfield ( dont know what thats all about, testing maby?)


Nothing more concrete at the moment that cant with some will be blamed on lag and so on, but im sure we will all see more to come.

As it is now i only fly on weekends ( 1 or maby 2 times a week ) so i have no idea what goes on in the weekdays.

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