BF109 - Can't we just have the gunsight in the middle?

[335th_GRAthos]

Oh c'mon guys, are you not ashamed at all!?

You were supposed to wait for me

No prob RE77ACTION, sorry for been a bit rough, this Revi things annoys me because I am lazy (do not want to go looking for my 6DOF kit when it is damn hot outside) and stubborn (I could claim this comes with age, but it is not ).

Nice picture Lixma it adds the scientific part which I was missing.I from my side I can contribute a picture from the practical side.
This is a scan from the A4 size picture of the Revi of the FW190 (do not ask me why we can find more pictures of the FW190 than of the Bf109) from the Book "Klassische Jagdflugzeuge" from HEEL Verlag 2000
It is a picture shot from the propeller, while the pilot is sitting inside the cockpit.
It is almost centered. Actually if you look better at the Rudder, the tip in the middle at the top of the cockpit frame and the small U-shaped thing on the top of the engine cowling, the photographer was sitting slightly to the right, which actually means the real situation of the pilots eyes and the Revi would be even better than the pictures show.
The quality is excellent on the book but I am not good with scanning and making pictures smaller (as my other posts have already proven) but I hope the result is clear enough:


And a zoom in of the picture showing clearly how well the Revi is in front of the right eye of the pilot (as Lixma unshamefully dared to mention before me):


I highlighted the Revi on this picture, just in case:


So, more than half the pilot's face (maybe this pilot has a remarkably big nose) is in front of the Revi.

I think it like shooting with a pistol: If you keep both eyes open the pistol's gunsight is not centered. If you close your left eye however, the gunsight is straight in front of your right eye.

CoD is showing us the view from both eyes and for obvious reasons, we can not close our left eye and fix the problem as it was in real life...

Anyway, we are turning circles here, it is just a frigging fix, for 10 years it was not a problem, now we got stuck with this bull... (pardon my French) and Luthier got a deaf ear

At least with these pictures we may stop this "Historic reality so it is correct" crap because I have heard this too often in the forum and it turns my stomach (no offence RE77ACTION you were the trigger but not the reason).

~S~


PS. And maybe somebody with some Russian knowledge could post something to Luthier because patience has also limits...

[Strike]

GRAthos, actually the pilot is leaning slightly to his right (you can tell by the head position in the cockpit + the head-cushion on the seat. Also since the photographer is slightly to the planes LEFT side when shooting the photograph, it doesn't clearly show how much he is leaning to his right. It also doesn't show 100% how easy it is for him to look through his sight! I think the game is good as it is.

I don't have to lean very far at all to see through the revi on the 109. and actually the tracers serve as a good indication (if you use tracers) as to where you're aiming. And you have like 1000 bullets

[335th_GRAthos]

Oops, you are right!

Sorry guys, never looked at this picture so intensively.

So I have to be thankfull to Lixma for his scientific picture after all

~S~

[RE77ACTION]

@335th_GRAthos: No problem, it's okay. I understand it gets annoying when you have to explain this thing for 100th time. At least I would get annoyed from it...

Nice reading though!

[klem]

GRAthos

I think the photo is misleading because you are assuming he is aiming at a target. I think he is just leaning to the right or perhaps 'aiming' at the camera (which is a little to his left).

I have marked the pilot's eye position behind the sight and then projected the MG17 and aircraft centrelines onto the photo and placed the sightline pro-rata in position according to Lixma's FW190 drawing. You can see that the sight line passes to the right of the pilot's eye - or the left of it from the pilot's point of view (see thumbnail).

Then I enlarged the pilots face and placed a box around his eyes. I then placed a red box of the same width, offset to the right by the amount the aiming eye is off the sight line (I added the eye position too) plus it's centreline. You can see that the red eyes box centreline is in the centre of the cockpit frame give or take a pixel (second thumbnail).

So it all lines up with Lixma's drawing and the pilot does not lean when aiming.

Unless of course we have a RL WWII 109 pilot on the forum who knows better.

[335th_GRAthos]

Nice work Klem, a bit too difficult for me, Lixma's drawing is a straight explanation, better than my picture.

I admit looking at the picture in front of me (A4 size) it is so high quality that I am drawn by the eyes of the pilot looking straight at me that I did not notice the headreast behind.

What however grasped my attention is the size of the Revi glass because it covers more than half his face.

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by Strike

GRAthos, actually the pilot is leaning slightly to his right (you can tell by the head position in the cockpit + the head-cushion on the seat. Also since the photographer is slightly to the planes LEFT side when shooting the photograph, it doesn't clearly show how much he is leaning to his right. It also doesn't show 100% how easy it is for him to look through his sight! I think the game is good as it is.

http://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php?topic=13417.0

[vnvv_stea]

HI All,

I'm wondering if someone can tell me if we have possibility to set up a weapons sight in 109 as in old IL2!

[drewpee]

As it is ATM it's real easy to loose track of the sight after maneuvering. If it was that hard IRL wouldn't they have changed to the English stile sight?