Well...we said it would be a problem..

[Ze-Jamz]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

Why on earth are you following him down to (literally) treetop height?

Stay high and conserve your energy. Let him go down while you stay high and build more E. By the time he tries to come back you'll have an enormous margin.

Guess you didnt read the first Post.... he got bounced as he was taking off, he then half rolled because the 109 obviously buggered up another bounce and gave chase..why would you not give chase in a Spit against a 109 who just messed up a bounce?...id chase up untill i knew i wasnt going to catch him..

The 109 pilot obvioulsy messed up big time trying to be Johnny Big balls and bounce a second time before making sure hes got enough E to follow it through...if hes had to resort to then flying through Trees to evade a Slower AC then hes a Tool, and id let him escape probably through pitty, bless him

[CaptainDoggles]

Originally Posted by Ze-Jamz

Guess you didnt read the first Post.... he got bounced as he was taking off, he then half rolled because the 109 obviously buggered up another bounce and gave chase..why would you not give chase in a Spit against a 109 who just messed up a bounce?...id chase up untill i knew i wasnt going to catch him..

The 109 pilot obvioulsy messed up big time trying to be Johnny Big balls and bounce a second time before making sure hes got enough E to follow it through...if hes had to resort to then flying through Trees to evade a Slower AC then hes a Tool, and id let him escape probably through pitty, bless him

Ah yeah, didn't see that bit earlier.

My point stands, though. Pilots should not be engaging in combat at altitudes where literally diving into the trees is a viable escape, because anyone with an altitude advantage and a little bit of patience is going to catch and kill you sooner or later. There's no avoiding it, and if you're already on the deck there's nowhere to go.

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

There's no avoiding it, and if you're already on the deck there's nowhere to go.

Apart from through the tree's!!

[Ze-Jamz]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

Ah yeah, didn't see that bit earlier.

My point stands, though. Pilots should not be engaging in combat at altitudes where literally diving into the trees is a viable escape, because anyone with an altitude advantage and a little bit of patience is going to catch and kill you sooner or later. There's no avoiding it, and if you're already on the deck there's nowhere to go.

Hmm not sure i agree with that fella, if there are no EA around and im Low enough to see an even lower EA then i will bounce him regardless of his height...its up to me to guarantee that there isnt any EA higher than me however before i make a move, then it becomes a problem but if not i dont see there being an issue of bouncing a very low target as long as you keep fast and have your escape route planned

[CaptainDoggles]

Sure, I can cherry-pick conditions too.

Sure: IF there are no other EA around, and IF you spot a lone bandit without a wingman then yeah, go ahead and dive after them.

But IF another enemy arrives on the scene then you are likely dead meat.

I like how Tree_UK can't refute my arguments and has now lowered himself to personal attacks like saying I'm not a team player because I fly high.

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How many of you people in this thread spent most of your time flying il2fb on the deck? Did you ever venture into a server with good pilots like Warclouds or Spits/109s and try it there? How'd that end up?

Lots and lots of combat happens at altitudes where you can barely see the trees, much less fly through them.

I guess I just don't think this is cause to stand up and start screaming about the end of the sim.

[Ze-Jamz]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

Sure, I can cherry-pick conditions too.

Sure: IF there are no other EA around, and IF you spot a lone bandit without a wingman then yeah, go ahead and dive after them.

But IF another enemy arrives on the scene then you are likely dead meat.

I like how Tree_UK can't refute my arguments and has now lowered himself to personal attacks like saying I'm not a team player because I fly high.

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How many of you people in this thread spent most of your time flying il2fb on the deck? Did you ever venture into a server with good pilots like Warclouds or Spits/109s and try it there? How'd that end up?

Lots and lots of combat happens at altitudes where you can barely see the trees, much less fly through them.

I guess I just don't think this is cause to stand up and start screaming about the end of the sim.

I fly both sides mate so depends on what im flying im guess..a Spit especially the one we have in game isnt a very good BnZ though in Il2 i could get away with it...on the other hand the 109 we have here is a better TnB Ac than in Il2 imo..

im not side biased.. not a luftwiner or an easymode pilot (ww2ol phrase so i do whatever and depends on the map too

[Ze-Jamz]

Originally Posted by cheesehawk

I have to say, the graphics in this game are causing unreal tactics to be valid.

Agreed..

[CaptainDoggles]

I'm not saying it's fine and dandy that we can fly through trees.

I'm saying it ought not to be such a huge issue (and won't "kill multiplayer" as Tree insists) because when servers are populated people start climbing, or at least ought to, if they have any sense at all.

[MadTommy]

I don't see the big issue or why people are getting their knickers in a twist.

Flying through trees will hardly keep you alive.. I find it hard to believe its a successful tactic. They can hardly stay in the trees long enough to loose you.

The lack of collision mesh is a suitable compromise. If you look at the other sims we can compare to.. neither DCS BlackShark or A10c have tree collision mesh, Rise of Flight has a poorly modelled one that does not truly represent the actual tree. You can fly very close to the tree but hit its mesh, i find that more annoying.

i don't expect collision mesh will ever be added and it does not concern me one iota, flying through then is hardly a big exploit.

[ZaltysZ]

Originally Posted by MadTommy

They can hardly stay in the trees long enough to loose you.

Why not? If escaping player has trees off, he only need to find large patch of green (where forest is supposed to be) and fly over it low enough. Not very hard thing to do.

But the problem is not that escape exploit only. In old IL2 or RoF there is always a reason not to fly over large forest with dying engine, in CoD there isn't any such reason. It is bizarre how ditching inside forest works well in CoD. This will become even more obvious and annoying when we will get to Eastern front, where fighting altitudes are lower.