109E3 cannons or spud guns

[Daniël]

Originally Posted by carguy_

As opposed to the 20mm, the MG in the wings (12mm is it, yah?) even with the standard belt (can`t change it currently) it is devastating.

12mm? I don't think the Germans used that calibre. I think it's a 7,92mm. Later in the war they used 13mm guns.

[JG53Frankyboy]

the 12mm was ment ironic....

[xnomad]

If the MG-FF performance is modeled correctly then it begs the question why the Luftwaffe replaced the 2 wing MG 17's with it?

I can understand that the MG-FF/M might be mounted as it has the Minengeschoss but the current MG-FF is pretty useless, it just makes a lot of noise and makes my stick shake too much. You can be clinically precise with the nose MG 17's rather than waste your effort with the blind hammering of the 20mm.

The E-1 at present is a superior dogfighter because of the 4 MG's I knew that would be the case when I noticed just how good the 2 MG's were in the 109; I've been hoping for the E-1 for some time and happy we've got it now.

I hope they fix the FFB bug with the 109 cannon before we get the Bf109-E4 with the MG-FF/M otherwise I'll be stuck with the E-1 for some time.

[Kurfürst]

Those large 20 mm incendinaries were probably quite effective against bomber fuel tanks I guess... I agree they are a bit difficult to use against fighters. I find them very effective against bombers, it easily sets them on fire.

The problem with the current FF is the low muzzle velocity and the lack of effective HE shell. The E-4 ie. MG-FF/M will solve both of these problems, as the lighter M-Geschoss was fired at much higher speeds.

[skouras]

i saw a huge difference when i set them to 200

[JG53Frankyboy]

Originally Posted by Kurfürst

................ MG-FF/M will solve both of these problems, as the lighter M-Geschoss was fired at much higher speeds.

never heard about a higher V0 of the Mineshell.....?!

[Kurfürst]

Its a lighter shell fired with a similiar charge - its faster. IIRC on 151/20 it was 805 m/sec vs 710 or so of the regular HEI/API, and 700ish on the MGFF vs. the regular 520 or so. It did loose speed a bit faster, but I don't think that matters at these marginal ranges of 100-200 meter.

[TomcatViP]

The big diff came from the feeding mechanism for the canons that went from a large and rather impressive belt arrangement (!) to 60 rds drums.

[Masi67]

Mg FF pretty useless as it is now MG17 is killer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMnSqcmANro

[Kongo-Otto]

Originally Posted by TomcatViP

The big diff came from the feeding mechanism for the canons that went from a large and rather impressive belt arrangement (!) to 60 rds drums.

Both the MG/FF and the MG/FFM never had a belt feeding mechanism, they always had the 60 round drum when mounted in the BF 109. Only the E-1 with the wing installed MG-17 had ammo belts.