Help For Luthier

[Skoshi Tiger]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

skosh im very very familiar with the copyright laws, especially where sound is involved having been a recording artist. Lets say for example that i take an engine sound out of another game and change the wave format of that sound, it would be absoloutley impossible to take me to court and prove that i had not recorded that sound myself.

However if they were worried about ownership of the sounds you could always buy them from here, 99p a track.

http://www.field-recording.org.uk/

But without asking for and receiving permission to do so you'ld still be stealing the work from the artist/technician that did all the work and should be compensated for their efforts, which is a low thing to do.

If you are familiar with the copyright laws why did you ask your question?

I know! Maybe the people making the mods should sample WWII era moives for their sounds.

They'ld mostly be in the public domain by now! A reach for the Skies sound mod would be cool!

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by Skoshi Tiger

But without asking for and receiving permission to do so you'ld still be stealing the work from the artist/technician that did all the work and should be compensated for their efforts, which is a low thing to do.

If you are familiar with the copyright laws why did you ask your question?

I know! Maybe the people making the mods should sample WWII era moives for their sounds.

They'ld mostly be in the public domain by now! A reach for the Skies sound mod would be cool!

Its rather simple he wanted to lash out at the developer..

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

Its rather simple he wanted to lash out at the developer..

I wouldn't call it lashing out Krupi, more of a poke with a stick.

[ATAG_Doc]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

Its rather simple he wanted to lash out at the developer..

Indeed. Lots of post have other motives. Must be rough to be a developer of a popular sim such as this and having everyone go through your sim with a fine toothed comb and discussing it on internet boards.

Then making mods to unfinished products and having them passed around to people.

A developers hell.

[Ataros]

As far as understand it is OK to use soundmods online if they do not modify any other files than sound files. The issue with current sound mods is that they modify engine config files to force DB and Merlin using separate samples.

I think we can ask modders to make a lite version of their mods that do not modify anything but sound files.

I remember reading at least once in early May that a basic sound mod that was available back then helped to solve sound disappearing issues when using external views (Current 1st person multiplayer sound bug was not introduced back then yet).

Of cause do not try any mods online if you think $50 is a lot to loose just for experimenting purposes.

ps. Also we can ask luthier to officially approve at least one sound mod for online. I would vote for Jafa's one but it is not available yet. But we can start talking to luthier about this anyway.

[Thee_oddball]

Originally Posted by Ataros

As far as understand it is OK to use soundmods online if they do not modify any other files than sound files. The issue with current sound mods is that they modify engine config files to force DB and Merlin using separate samples.

I think we can ask modders to make a lite version of their mods that do not modify anything but sound files.

I remember reading at least once in early May that a basic sound mod that was available back then helped to solve sound disappearing issues when using external views (Current 1st person multiplayer sound bug was not introduced back then yet).

Of cause do not try any mods online if you think $50 is a lot to loose just for experimenting purposes.

ps. Also we can ask luthier to officially approve at least one sound mod for online. I would vote for Jafa's one but it is not available yet. But we can start talking to luthier about this anyway.

i read just like you what Luthier said about the mods...there would be wide spread bans without warning

but i am not sure VAC definitions have been written yet given the constant flux of the game.

If the sound mod can fix the online bug then we SHOULD be allowed to use it without penalty and when it is officially fixed we should be notified so we may revert back to stock.

S!

[Ataros]

Originally Posted by Thee_oddball

If the sound mod can fix the online bug then we SHOULD be allowed to use it without penalty and when it is officially fixed we should be notified so we may revert back to stock.

Obvious, isn't it? That is why someone may wish to try it and start talking to luthier about it if this is a solution. If no one reports it, luthier would never know about it.

Originally Posted by Ataros

ps. Also we can ask luthier to officially approve at least one sound mod for online. I would vote for Jafa's one but it is not available yet. But we can start talking to luthier about this anyway.

The copyright logic i have heard banded around is nonsense. Listen to the 303's in the stock game, tell me honestly they didnt come from either the battle of britian movie or from Wings of victory, i checked and they are identical but because our 303 is slightly reworked its been used here.

For a company trying to re-coop fundings recording their sounds from new is not an option. They will of course either use and expand on the same sounds, or buy sounds already made.

Personaly I dont want them to use anyones mod I want them to sort out their sound and clearly they will do this, entertaining the idea that they will come to the community to ask for help is a ridiculous notition. They are a professional development team and dont need our help.

[Trumper]

I shouldn't hold your breathe on them asking for external help Tree.