109 cant do XXXX anymore.

[Sven]

You're taking a perspective from inside the game not reality.

I've been playing for a long while, since Forgotten Battles came out. Flying Axis side exclusively.

You are 100 % right that ingame (1946) I've never even attempted to outturn a spitfire simply because it is pointless. History tells us that it was quite an effective tactic ( Downing 6 of them that way can hardly be luck ), and there are more quotes I can dig up which state the same.

Yet you cannot use that for any FM modelling for obvious reasons, which Lixma also correctly said:

And don't get us started on the relative skills of the pilots involved, the condition of the airframes, condition of the engines, relative energy levels during the turns etc...etc....

My point was only that the 109 is not a bad turner, it was considered effective by experienced pilots.

I personally would prefer BnZ, far safer and more fitted for canon armed birds IMO. Good dogfights I rarely have with Spitfires, scraping them off the ground is no fun. I miss the 6K + fights with P47 and P51 in 1946.