Patience is a virtue...

[Chivas]

Those very very bad developers should have told us not to buy their unfinished product, but it would have been counterproductive for EVERYONE. Atleast now there is a chance the new funds will finance further development as seems to be case at the moment. Yes we all could have waited until the sim was in better condition before we bought it, but without the added financing the sim would have shut down long before that happened. Consider it an investment that could net you another ten years of decent entertainment. The alternative is not good.

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Of course its my fault..... I missed Luthiers post the night before the release saying listen up guys the game is nowhere near finished so please be warned, it wont run out of the box well at all, the sounds are crap thats why we avoided showing you any sounds, the videos we showed you were all faked so the game appeared to be running fine, the leaked video that got you all excited showing how well the game ran was a clever little marketing ploy, when i told you all that I like shiney new planes it was because the weathering didn't work and I was making it up about SLI working when i said 'why wouldn't it'. AA doesn't function at all, we also mislead you about the PC's not having enough ram at the Russian show so thats why it looked so choppy and the FPS was appalling. Ubisoft advertising directX 11 is just an oversight, and when we put cooperative play on the box we just assumed it may work. Yep, definetley my fault Robtek.

Mate, seriously, at least half of these were stuff you were questioning and complaining about way before release.

Let's be honest here, you didn't get fooled by anyone, you just chose to ignore your own predictions and hope it will turn out well. It didn't and then you got disappointed.

You know i mean no offense, i just find it hard to believe you got fooled when you were calling it out yourself weeks/months before it was released

[furbs]

Blackdog...i think Tree would agree with you, he didn't get fooled but his post could mean all the people that did.

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

Mate, seriously, at least half of these were stuff you were questioning and complaining about way before release.

Let's be honest here, you didn't get fooled by anyone, you just chose to ignore your own predictions and hope it will turn out well. It didn't and then you got disappointed.

You know i mean no offense, i just find it hard to believe you got fooled when you were calling it out yourself weeks/months before it was released

Thank you for the recognition, I bet Luthier hated me, I saw through so much of the Bull Dust, he most of thought I was working in his office, your right of course, i didn't get fooled, but I still supported the sim because we have nothing else. In order to discuss the woes of this sim you have to have purchased it first right?. However my biggest disappointment is not with the Bull crap before release but the poor effort in communication after, and of course the complete lack of an apology of any sorts after trousering our cash, Oleg left looking like a petty criminal rather then being showered in the glory that he much deserved. That is a shame and much of it is his own doing.

[Bryan21cag]

Originally Posted by Chivas

Those very very bad developers should have told us not to buy their unfinished product, but it would have been counterproductive for EVERYONE. At least now there is a chance the new funds will finance further development as seems to be case at the moment. Yes we all could have waited until the sim was in better condition before we bought it, but without the added financing the sim would have shut down long before that happened. Consider it an investment that could net you another ten years of decent entertainment. The alternative is not good.

LOL They didn't need to trick me in order to get my money

I LOVE IL2 series and therefore I would be happy to part with not only $50.00 for the game but i would gladly donate plenty more for further development as needed if they were just honest about the state of the sim's development. hell i would have dropped like $500 bucks on them and than found a way to deducted it on my taxes or something. I have spent at least that much in other games and hobbies to fill in for the time I would have loved to have been playing the next Great WWII flight sim by there team ....LOL.....sigh

I'm sure I am not the only one that would have done that. They could have at least tried this first and then if no one came forward willing to invest in the future of WWII flight sims then they could have moved into the lets just release it and hope for more money to finish it plan

Not really holding a grudge about it any more but felt a bit like i had been led into an alley by a Jennifer Aniston for treats and than Ravaged in my virgin part by BUBBA against my will instead, after the first releases and patches.

next time i guess

cheers

Originally Posted by Chivas

Those very very bad developers should have told us not to buy their unfinished product, but it would have been counterproductive for EVERYONE. Atleast now there is a chance the new funds will finance further development as seems to be case at the moment. Yes we all could have waited until the sim was in better condition before we bought it, but without the added financing the sim would have shut down long before that happened. Consider it an investment that could net you another ten years of decent entertainment. The alternative is not good.

Sorry, but yet again this is just pure speculation.

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Sorry, but yet again this is just pure speculation.

Lol really, tree your the king of speculation and now a massive hypocrite

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

Lol really, tree your the king of speculation and now a massive hypocrite

Well I hit the mark on most, but i will keep the 'King' bit.

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Sorry, but yet again this is just pure speculation.

Speculation? Do you honestly think the devs willing released the sim in this condition. If the publishers/developers were just interested in screwing people over they would have released the sim world wide and forgot about it. They certainly wouldn't have released COD in the East then continued to work on it 24/7 for the Western release. Especially given all the negative publicity of the Eastern release would obviously create. I know you give the developers very little credit for any intelligence, or integrity, but it must show most people the developers are commitment to the future of the sim.

Yes COD was released before it was finished and most people understand there is alot of work to be done before its finished. Yes let new people know that COD is incomplete, but also let people know that the developers have a history of supporting their product. I don't see the necessity to spam the forums with negativity, although I suppose there would be the opportunity to say I told you so to an empty forum.

Originally Posted by Chivas

Speculation? Do you honestly think the devs willing released the sim in this condition. If the publishers/developers were just interested in screwing people over they would have released the sim world wide and forgot about it. They certainly wouldn't have released COD in the East then continued to work on it 24/7 for the Western release. Especially given all the negative publicity of the Eastern release would obviously create. I know you give the developers very little credit for any intelligence, or integrity, but it must show most people the developers are commitment to the future of the sim.

Yes COD was released before it was finished and most people understand there is alot of work to be done before its finished. Yes let new people know that COD is incomplete, but also let people know that the developers have a history of supporting their product. I don't see the necessity to spam the forums with negativity, although I suppose there would be the opportunity to say I told you so to an empty forum.

Chivas, Im not disagreeing with you entirely on this, but I think it was appalling that the Dev's did not offer some explanation as to the state of CLOD upon release, letting it just slip out knowing the condition it was in in my opinion as done nothing for their reputation. Yes, there may have been pressure from UBI but we can never be sure, but UBI don't control these forums, a simple statement of fact or a heartfelt appeal to us from Luthier would have made a very big difference to how most feel about this product and where it's going.