What should the next 'new' aircraft be to fly?Rather than variants of existing Models

[JG53Frankyboy]

the next adon will most propably the memntioned "Battle of Moskau" - that means a timeframe late 1941 to early 42, eastern front:
possible planes (no coplete list for sure ! )
Bf109F-2 (perhaps -4)
Bf109E-7/B
Bf110E
Hs123
Hs126
Ju87B/D
He111H
Ju88A-5, -4
I-16
I-153
MiG-3
Yak-1
LaGG-3
P-40B/C
R-5
IL-2 (single seaters)
Pe-2 , -3
DB-3
SB-2

i doubt there will be intermediate AdOns for the new IL2 series to sell planes for another scenario on a given map (like Dieppe 42)!
Hopefully there will be some free adon planes in needed patches....but i guess far of the amount as in the old IL" series . These times are over.


IMHO, 1C should give the RAF one more flyable bomber , as the Wellington is there already as AI, use the Wellington (even if my persoanl favorite would be a Hampden !). Make a Bf109E-4 and E-1 ( should be not so difficult) ad a Hurricane Mk.II , sure fix all the stuff in game ( ) and than soldier on to the next Full AdOn , the mentioned eastern front scenario !

[csThor]

I agree with Franky when he says the additions to the Il-2 CloD line should be scenario-based. The often "disconnected" way of choosing additions to the planepool we saw in the original Il-2 line was something I did not like one bit. For me it brought nothing but disappointment, frustration and it did blow up my installation with a load of hangar queens which I rarely used at all.

At the moment I hope for three aircraft to be included: Bf 109 E-1, Bf 109 E-4 and Ju 52 3m (as baronWastelan pointed out - how could I have missed that type?). All three would have significant impact on gameplay (or in the latter case would simply be a much needed addition).
But to be honest I would postpone all three (or any others, for that matter) for significant additions to the game engine in the gameplay aspect. Maddox Games does not only need to fix the many large and small issues of the engine but also fix the FMB (right now I can't use certain objects without encountering almost-CTDs), add a campaign module that is worth the title (with rank structure, medals, roster etc) and - I mean we're all dreaming here - a really good dynamic campaign module that doesn't want to be a strategy game but follows the line of the classic Red Baron II campaign system (or, of newer date, RoF). It would need to be flexible enough to be able to depict very different theaters with very different styles of air war (East & early North Africa vs West & late MTO), really puts the air forces into the role they really played and doesn't force the player to be both pilot and warlord.

EDIT: Franky it's just Bf 109 E-7. Only E-1, E-3 and E-4 featured the suffix /b when they were modified for carrying bombs. The E-7 is just the factory standard which incorporated all those changes.

[No145_Hatter]

Fairey Battle

[JG53Frankyboy]

Originally Posted by csThor

........................EDIT: Franky it's just Bf 109 E-7. Only E-1, E-3 and E-4 featured the suffix /b when they were modified for carrying bombs. The E-7 is just the factory standard which incorporated all those changes.

COPY, sir
it was a try to point out, that Emils in the Moskau area were only flown as fighterbombers , by II(Schlacht)/LG2 that became I./SchG1 in january 42 AFAIK

[the Dutchman]

It's a variant,yes................

[Seeker]

I don't want any new planes from 1C, they can't be trusted to do them properly (six years and not ONE plane done right!)

I want better interfaces, functions that work, and above all, a dynamic mission generator.

I'd prefer mods for every thing else, they're a higher quality, lower lead time and more responsive developers.

[Danelov]

Only for the future(a lot of work still with the actual fleet to fix and work with), planes of the periode: Defiant, Gladiator, Wellington and in the other side Bf 109E-1, Bf 109E-4 , Bf 110D-0, with the ventral tank like the utilised by Luftflotte V with the I./ZG 76, a Bf 110C-6 with the 30mm cannon like some planes utilised by the Erp.Gr 210, one high altitude recco Ju-86 and one floatplane He 59 Seenodienst.

[ElAurens]

Curtiss Hawk 75 for the French for pre BoB work, and later for the SAAF in the desert.

Curtiss P40, for the desert.

Macchi MC 200, again for the desert.

Also flyable Gladiator for early work in the desert.

I guess you can see where I'm going with this...

[Stealth_Eagle]

Originally Posted by Seeker

I'd prefer mods for every thing else, they're a higher quality, lower lead time and more responsive developers.

You call mods high quality? You should really think twice before saying that. I have run IL-2 clean of mods since of their poor quality. For example, the flyable B17 is pretty much a rip off of the Maddox B-25 cockpit and the PE 8 mod flyable has repeated cockpits. Examples include He 111 and PE 2 use in the cockpit of the PE 8

The high quality mods are few and far between which some of them get implemented in the actual game. They may have better response time but do they put the "true" time and effort into the mods that are much poorer quality. IMHO, modded sounds sound unfull and very cheesy compared to stock.


My suggestion for the Maddox games next aircraft are to be what they want to do. If I had a choice, I want a Med theme.

[CWMV]

Originally Posted by Stealth_Eagle

You call mods high quality? You should really think twice before saying that. I have run IL-2 clean of mods since of their poor quality. For example, the flyable B17 is pretty much a rip off of the Maddox B-25 cockpit and the PE 8 mod flyable has repeated cockpits. Examples include He 111 and PE 2 use in the cockpit of the PE 8

The high quality mods are few and far between which some of them get implemented in the actual game. They may have better response time but do they put the "true" time and effort into the mods that are much poorer quality. IMHO, modded sounds sound unfull and very cheesy compared to stock.


My suggestion for the Maddox games next aircraft are to be what they want to do. If I had a choice, I want a Med theme.

FW-190
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Now seriously guy, have you ever heard Jaffa's sounds? have you seen the new 3d models for the 109 pack and the stuff underdevelopment for the upcoming 190 pack? All of them shame the stock models, or rather update the antiquated stock versions.
Not all mods are great, but some are simply vital to any sense of reality.