109 e3b against spitfire II

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Originally Posted by Kurfürst

Source please.



Source please. This was already discussed. http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...0&postcount=38

Based on the current evidence (feel free to add new sources showing 100 octane at the said airfield during the Battle and I'll update the list) shows that 100 octane aviation spirit was supplied to

8 out of 19 Sector Airfields
9 out of 32 Fighter Airfields (however 7 of the 32 functioning as satellite airfield for rotation etc., with no Sqn permanently based there).



Glider has nothing to do with Gavin Bailey, nor anyone participating in the thread for the matter.

As for Bailey's article, it doesn't state anywhere that 100 octane was universal for fighter use; actually, it gives little attention to subject of the extent of use, and instead it concentrates on belittlening the - allegedly widely and wrongly perceived - importance of American 100 octane imports, and the put emphasis of CSP propellerers.

On the matter of 100 octane use, it writes:



Then it goes back again how little American supplies meant in RAf plans, how limited the importance of 100 octane was compared to CSPs etc. There's no doubt some nationalistic odor to it.


Comparison table of FC's sorties vs. the amount of 100 octane and 'other' (ie. 87 octane) aviation fuel issued during the month clearly show that Figther Command was relying on 87 octane for a number of its operational fighter Squadrons.



A few of my own observations:

a, It seems clear that 100 octane has begun replacing 87 octane towards the end of September / start of October. Until then, 87 octane is by far the major fuel consumed.
b, This corresponds with what the Lord Beaverbook memo noted about re-starting the conversion
c, Its also very appearant that issues have a bit of 'delay' built into them. Obviously supply's nature is that they re-supply after the fuel at the airfields has been used and there's reported need for new issues. This takes time.
d, 100 octane issue curves are clearly responding to FC sorties number increase/decrease. Though that's not news, FC used that fuel. But it should be kept in mind that number of Blenheim Sqns also used and were issued 100 octane fuel, and a Blenheim sortie would consume 4-6 times the fuel a fighter sortie would.
e, On the other hand, 87 octane issues ALSO clearly reacts to FC sorties number increase/decrease. It shouldn't, if all frontline Sqns would be using only 100 octane.
f, Obviously the 87 octane curve reaction is less pronounced, as
fa, A good percentage of FC used 100 octane, so they don't their needs 'do not exists' from the 87 octane issues POV
fb, A large number of other aircraft also uses 87 octane, and many of them - bombers, patrol craft etc. - consume much more fuel than small fighters.

In my opinion, the most conclusive evidence that even towards the end of October a number of fighter squadrons were flying on 87 octane is evident by the sudden and perfectly parallel rise of both 87 octane issues and FC sorties curves at the time.

Tendencies to have British aircraft using only the best possible configurations are nothing more than the naked truth of gamers wanting more advantage to their aircraft, regardless of historical accuracy.

All of this disinformation is more of the same, all put forward by you in the threads I linked from the WWII Aircraft forum, and all have been proven to be false.

You are a broken record Kurfurst, posting twenty times does not make a false statement anymore correct than if you post once.

Anyone who takes the time to read through the threads from WWII Aircraft will see how credible you are with your homemade tables and lack of original documents.

To deal with your point there was more 87 octane fuel issued, the reason was simple:

RAF Bomber command was conducting a night offensive throughout the battle, bomber fuel loads are roughly twenty to thirty times that of a fighter aircraft.

If you look at 100 octane usage, the figures are clearly in line with what consumption should be for the roughly 400 fighter aircraft based at 10, 11 and 12 Group fields. In 1944 and 1945, the whole of the 2nd TAF usage of 150 octane fuel was roughly 10,000 tons per month, and that was for over 900 aircraft, Spitfires, Typhoons, Tempests and Mustangs, all of which had larger fuel tanks, plus all of which were loaded with drop tanks for every mission, the drop tanks alone for '44/'45 aircraft held more fuel than a '40 aircraft held in its internal tanks. Drop tanks were not in use by the RAF during the BoB.

But I am not going to lay out all the arguments here, they have already been presented in the WWII Aircraft forum thread in more than enough detail.

Yes, I mis-linked 'Glider' with Gavin Bailey, the name Bailey actually uses in the thread is 'Gavin B', another 'G', in any case, Gavin Bailey clearly disagrees with Kurfurst in the threads, Kurfurst ends up insulting him and that is one of the reason Kurfurst is banned.

The links again:

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/avi...2-a-20108.html

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/tec...bob-16305.html