how to see others while blacking out

[FOZ_1983]

Originally Posted by vdomini

I completely disagree with you.

Tweaking on the in game brightness or TV to see better it's like lowering elevator sensitivity while flying a plane, avoiding stalling, or disable the cockpit view when available. It's just a personal setting, definetly not a way of cheating. If the devs wanted a fixed brightness settings they wouldn't allowed you the option, or, like most recent game ( dead space 2 for example ), they would make you set the bright level in-game, comparing the slider value with a brightness reference picture.

Feel like flying at 0 brightness? Do it.
Feel like flying full sensitivity? Do it.
Feel like flying cockpit? Do it.

But don't blame other for cheating if the don't do the same. Some people still play on CRT TV, some don't have a full HD plasma tv, i mean... It's your personal decision. It's not the brightness settings that will save your wings against a skilled pilot.

Also, I feel like the dev added the black out effect just to make the game looks nicer, probably to disturb your sight on darker map ( i can hardly see ad dawn or sunset mission or while flying cloud covered ) , it's just a nice feature. I wonder why they have not added the same on negative G but only positive.

Of course, those are my opinion. Take it easy and have fun!

If im honest then i have to disagree with you.

I'm not quite sure how the blackout effect works on the PS3 since we dont have it really on the 360.

But...

I would consider turning your brightness up as cheating or gaining an unfair advantage.

If your on the 6 of an enemy and he pulls a sharp turn to try and lose you, he will be pulling to many G's and will surely black out. You being on his 6 so close will do the same and also black out,thus somewhre during the black out between both of you then you could potentially lose your target. Unfortunate but thats the way it goes, thats black out for you.

Now..

If we adjust brightness settings, then while your opponent pulls a sharp turn to lose you (thus blacking out) you will have your brightness up, and will still be able to have him in your sights even though the effects of black out should be in play, giving you an unfair advantage over your opponent, letting you get the shots off you need to destroy him.

Thats just my 2 cents worth

Thankfully this effect doesnt really happen on the 360.

[Gilly]

Originally Posted by vdomini

But don't blame other for cheating if the don't do the same.

So because someone cheats justifys everyone else cheating? Blackout in the game 'simulates' real life save for the physical effects so it's there for a reason. Blackout narrows vision so to turn brightness all the way up takes this effect away visa vis cheating the spirit of the game. And I thought people here professed to playing with honour...

Originally Posted by vdomini

I wonder why they have not added the same on negative G but only positive

There is red-out, try nosing your aircraft steeply down!

[vdomini]

Originally Posted by Gilly

So because someone cheats justifys everyone else cheating? Blackout in the game 'simulates' real life save for the physical effects so it's there for a reason. Blackout narrows vision so to turn brightness all the way up takes this effect away visa vis cheating the spirit of the game. And I thought people here professed to playing with honour...



There is red-out, try nosing your aircraft steeply down!

Blackouts are a pain for me, and i tend to loose chasing plane on blackout. Specially after drinking few beers... Don't get me wrong. On my ps3 / TV system, i can hardly see tru blackout even if i put brigthness at maximum. I can't wipe the black out effect away as you think. I might post a video on you tube if you don't belive me.

I don't get red out in PS3.


I talk abour fair play, i won't cheat playing poker, i won't cheat playing ps3. I take distance from people who seeks "honor" behind a joypad. But that's off topic

But that's not the point. you are talking about real life, i'm talking about brightness settings. And you say cheating.

I don't feel like raising brightenss is cheating. It's a setting. Like elevator settigs. Like virtual cockpit on or off.

I hope this thread will not became a flame up i 've tried to be as more expicit as i could be lol but looks like i'm typing again the same thoughts expressed before.... i need to check my english up maybe eheh

p.s.: Since english is not my first language i've corrected your quoted text, that taken alone is very ambiguous . "But don't blame other for cheating if the don't fly with your settings" was the meaning

[Gilly]

Originally Posted by vdomini

Blackouts are a pain for me, and i tend to loose chasing plane on blackout. Specially after drinking few beers... Don't get me wrong. On my ps3 / TV system, i can hardly see tru blackout even if i put brigthness at maximum. I can't wipe the black out effect away as you think. I might post a video on you tube if you don't belive me.

I don't get red out in PS3.


I talk abour fair play, i won't cheat playing poker, i won't cheat playing ps3. I take distance from people who seeks "honor" behind a joypad. But that's off topic

But that's not the point. you are talking about real life, i'm talking about
brightness settings. And you say cheating.

I don't feel like raising brightenss is cheating. It's a setting. Like elevator settigs. Like virtual cockpit.

I hope this thread will not became a flame up i 've tryed to be as more expiciti as i could be lol

p.s.: Since english is not my first language i've corrected your quoted text, that taken alone is very ambiguous. "But don't blame other for cheating if the
don't fly with your settings" it's the meaning of my post

Rest assured my friend I'm not trying to 'flame' you at all. I'm trying to understand why people are doing and justifying this.

And we do get red out on PS3!! As I said climb up to a decent height then point the nose down and push forward hard, the red will start to encroach on the screen just as blackout does.

[MACADEMIC]

Well, if I may throw in my 2 cents, I wouldn't call this cheating, but cheeky.

I wouldn't adjust my tv so that I can see through the blackouts to gain an advantage. I accept blackouts as part of the game and wouldn't want to artificially avoid them. Most people probaby don't, so those who do can almost be sure that they have an advantage over everyone else.

Some inequalities cannot be avoided, such as what the quality and size of the tv is that people have, or the kind of joysticks they're using. But this is an inequality that can be avoided by the game from the start.

So, for the sequel, I fully agree with Robotic Pope that this issue should be addressed from the start. Blackouts should be blackouts, for everybody.

MAC

P.S.: What is a lag switch?

[JRHOODY1]

Originally Posted by vdomini

I completely disagree with you.

Tweaking on the in game brightness or TV to see better to me it's like lowering elevator sensitivity while flying a plane, avoiding stalling, or disable the cockpit view when available. It's just a personal setting, definetly not a way of cheating. If the devs wanted a fixed brightness settings they wouldn't allowed you the option, or, like most recent game ( dead space 2 for example ), they would make you set the bright level in-game at the beginning, comparing the slider value with a brightness reference picture.

Feel like flying at 0 brightness? Do it.
Feel like flying full sensitivity? Do it.
Feel like flying cockpit? Do it.

But don't blame other for cheating if the don't fly with your settings. Some people still play on CRT TV, some don't have a full HD plasma tv, i mean... It's your personal decision. It's not the brightness settings that will save your wings against a skilled pilot.

Also, when i fly against an opponent, i always think he's flyig with "no-handicap" and at his maximum TV, joypad controller / sensitivity / cockpit performance, ready to shoot lead on my ass. so NO MERCY ! I personally love flying in cockpit view and sometimes full sensitivity too, but i like fair games so i goes into that options only when previously agreeded with the players. Maybe next time i'll ask about their TV brightness too lol

Also, I feel like the dev added the black out effect just to make the game looks nicer, probably to disturb your sight on darker map ( i can hardly see ad dawn or sunset mission or while flying cloud covered in blackouts) , it's just a nice feature. If they really wanted to 100% blind you on blackouts, they would make it fade to completely black. Or, maybe, blending the enemy plane ( making him progressively transparent ) while fade out. There are several way to achive that kind of effect in 3d games... I wonder why they have not added the same on negative G but only positive.

Of course, those are my opinion. Take it easy and have fun!

spot on buddy i like the way you think be on tonight i love the way you fly the p51 great to watch see you in the air friend?

[Robotic Pope]

Originally Posted by vdomini

I completely disagree with you.

Tweaking on the in game brightness or TV to see better to me it's like lowering elevator sensitivity while flying a plane, avoiding stalling, or disable the cockpit view when available. It's just a personal setting, definetly not a way of cheating. If the devs wanted a fixed brightness settings they wouldn't allowed you the option, or, like most recent game ( dead space 2 for example ), they would make you set the bright level in-game at the beginning, comparing the slider value with a brightness reference picture.

Feel like flying at 0 brightness? Do it.
Feel like flying full sensitivity? Do it.
Feel like flying cockpit? Do it.

But don't blame other for cheating if the don't fly with your settings. Some people still play on CRT TV, some don't have a full HD plasma tv, i mean... It's your personal decision. It's not the brightness settings that will save your wings against a skilled pilot.

Also, when i fly against an opponent, i always think he's flyig with "no-handicap" and at his maximum TV, joypad controller / sensitivity / cockpit performance, ready to shoot lead on my ass. so NO MERCY ! I personally love flying in cockpit view and sometimes full sensitivity too, but i like fair games so i goes into that options only when previously agreeded with the players. Maybe next time i'll ask about their TV brightness too lol

Also, I feel like the dev added the black out effect just to make the game looks nicer, probably to disturb your sight on darker map ( i can hardly see ad dawn or sunset mission or while flying cloud covered in blackouts) , it's just a nice feature. If they really wanted to 100% blind you on blackouts, they would make it fade to completely black. Or, maybe, blending the enemy plane ( making him progressively transparent ) while fade out. There are several way to achive that kind of effect in 3d games... I wonder why they have not added the same on negative G but only positive.

Of course, those are my opinion. Take it easy and have fun!

forgot to reply to this one.

There is a big difference between Sensitivity adjustment, virtual cockpit and Brightness control. The sensitivity is there to change the sensitvity of your stick and that is what we use it for. Same with the Virtual cockpit, it is there to give you a better view of your surroundings and that is why people use it.

Brightness controll is there so you can adjust the game to your TV so you can play the game looking at its best and how the developers intended. This is why a lot of games have a picture in a black square and you adjust the brightness untill you can only just about see the picture. This is not what it is being used for here which is why it is an exploit. You are exploiting a setting the developers put there for people that have TVs with very dark blacks, using it for a different unintented purpose which gives you ability that wasn't intended by the developer.

The developer cannot foresee everything we do. This is why exploits are common in games.