UP 3.0 vs HSFX 5.0?

[ocococ]

Actually for simple things like that you only need to have basic physics understanding. You don't even need RL data at all.

HSFX's expert FM has so many problems, that should not be taken seriously in any way. I discovered them while playing (something feels seriously wrong moments), and the IL2CompareHSFX charts just proved that I was right.

No offense to Aaken. Probably real life experience can't easily be transferred to a 10year old game.


As for the thread question, UP3 or HSFX5? None, stock game is the only one that is playable.

I respect all the individual mod content creators (Doesn't matter if I like their work or not),

But I consider all the modpack creators (packagers) incompetent. They have failed to deliver a polished modpack. They are all full of amateur bugs, stupid "personal opinion/im-gonna-do-it-my-way" game changes and low quality crappy content.

IMO, Their existence and their high(!) popularity is a disgrace to the original/stock game's quality and polish.

With the stock game, 5% of the game seems wrong.
With the modded game, 50% of the game seems wrong.

[EZ1]

Well I certainly opened a can of worms with my original post. Thanks to all who have participated.

Actually, I would never have considered installing mods except for 6DOF. That is the only mod I really think is important because my biggest complaint with IL-2 was the pilot having one eye nailed to the center of the cockpit. I couldn't care less about flying a bunch of obscure airplanes. But that's just me.

Thanks all.

[Asheshouse]

Originally Posted by ocococ

With the stock game, 5% of the game seems wrong.
With the modded game, 50% of the game seems wrong.

I wonder if you have really tried all the mods in both HSFX and UP to arrive at these precise figures?

If that really is your view then you still have the choice of using a ModEnabler rather than a pack and selecting your own favourite mods. No one is forced to use anything. People use Mods because they like them and they offer some excellent features or content not available in official patches.

Originally Posted by EZ1

I couldn't care less about flying a bunch of obscure airplanes. But that's just me.

Makes me wonder why you are interested in IL2 at all.

[150GCT_Veltro]

Originally Posted by ocococ

Actually for simple things like that you only need to have basic physics understanding. You don't even need RL data at all.

Sure? Have you ever seen an FM code with polars ecc. ecc.?

FM are phisycs and maths first of all. Pilots statements are not always credible, first of all because usually they are completely differents.

[Kwiatek]

Well i got 2 books about BoB fighter planes where 2 different aeronautical engineer (as i remember from 2 different University) were calculated sustained turn rates for Spitfire Mk1 and 109 E and both got quite different results . Hard to say what data they both used but one got that 109 E outturn Spitfire MK1 and second hardly opposite result.

Originally Posted by Aracno

I dont care, if he is another aeronautical engineer I would expect constructive and precise criticism or errors highlighted on SEOW forum, not spamming other's people whining post, especially in a thread hot like this.
Aachen is a nice guy open to critics and ready to explain when YOU are wrong and correct things where HE is wrong, he really does not deserve post like that.

Sry but i dont have a goal to write at SOEW forum casue im not stick with HSFX and SOEW. One of my reason is that i just know comparing real life data which i got that in many cases many HSFX planes had wrong and unhistorical performance - far from even close to realistic. Im stick with UP where i made many flight models for UP planes based on RL data (orignal scans) and flight test not about dubfully calculations. Im not claim that all planes in UP had accurate performance and flight models beacuse there are so many new planes and flight models made by different people with really different quality. There is not possible to control and check all these planes beacuse there are really too many of them. But i could say only about these one which i made - many Western Front planes like new Fw 190s, 109s, SPitfires etc. Surly nothing is perfect and never will be but the goal is to achive the closiest results to real life data as it is possible in these game.

[Aracno]

So you are the FM guy of the UP?
Coming here to attack your collegue of HFSX?
Congratulations.
And about "dubfully calculations", take care next time you fly on an airliner, maybe calculations are done by Aachen ....

[Kwiatek]

Yes im these guy from UP which made some FM's for it.

I dont want to attack anybody here. Maby i was wrong understanded.
Just i want to say that such "calculations" from different reasons dont work for these planes comparing to RL data. These is the same like i said about 2 different aero engineers who got way different results for the same thing.

Regarding our game it could be also that flight model maker cant or dont know how to get wanted resuts. From my experience sometimes is really hard to do some things in il2 engine and soetimes it is needed to make it different way.

Whathever reason in my humble opinion flight models in HSFX in many cases ( in some important planes) really doesn't work like it supposed to be and are way different from real life results. Just all.

[Aracno]

I dont want to go in the telenovela of "your data are wrong", i have read too much posts and i know is an infinite debate.
Maybe you are using different data, so if your FM check your data i'm happy for you, maybe Aachen is happy because his FM check his data too ..... people can decide by himself.
What i know is that Aachen its an aeronautical engineer that work in the aeronautical industry and a second WW ac passionate and a lot of people are loving his work.
I'm sure a lot of people are loving your FM, there is no reason to go in a "my data are better than yours" war, especially in a forum where the second guy involved (Aachen) is not present.

[Kwiatek]

Well there are not " my data" but just official data from these times used by Germans, British or Amercians for their planes. I mostly try and got if it is possible such official data not books, monographs etc. But if some planes in IL2 mods have obviously way too good or way too worse performacne comparing to even offical data from their country flight test there is really something off. But as you said i also dont want to start another telenovela "which data or mod is better" here, it is not point do to it.

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

Originally Posted by Kwiatek

From my experience sometimes is really hard to do some things in il2 engine and soetimes it is needed to make it different way.

This is very true at least.