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[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

If the patriotic method doesn't work with the NG chiefs, you still can talk to Mr. President! When are next elections?

[BadAim]

Originally Posted by EJGr.Ost_Caspar

If the patriotic method doesn't work with the NG chiefs, you still can talk to Mr. President! When are next elections?

Two Looooooong years.

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

A shame!

[Asheshouse]

The Northrop Grumman position on intellectual property rights.

From http://www.northropgrumman.com/ipm/tmpolicy.html

In summary NG claims trademark rights on the names of its "products" but does not claim any rights to images, drawings etc, provided the name is not used.

Trademark Licensing Policy

TRADEMARK LICENSE
FOR USE WITH PHOTOGRAPHS, ILLUSTRATIONS AND PAINTINGS
NOT OWNED BY NORTHROP GRUMMAN

Background: Northrop Grumman Corporation recognizes that the copyright in a photograph, illustration or painting of a vehicle is owned by the photographer, illustrator or artist, respectively (absent a contractual arrangement otherwise). At the same time, Northrop Grumman, as the manufacturer, owns the trademarks (e.g. "F-14", "Corsair") in the vehicles it makes. Under the trademark laws of the United States and other countries, a trademark owner risks losing trademark rights if others use those trademarks without permission.

Purpose: Northrop Grumman respects and appreciates the creative talents of the photographic and artistic communities. Northrop Grumman desires to promote the use of its trademarks with photographs, illustrations and paintings by granting a free license to photographers and artists so that Northrop Grumman can maintain its trademark rights while at the same time being minimally intrusive.

License Terms:

Northrop Grumman hereby grants a free license to photographers and artists to use Northrop Grumman’s trademarks with his/her photographs, illustrations or paintings, including with any that are sold.
The photographer or artist agrees that the quality of his/her photographs, illustrations or paintings that use Northrop Grumman trademarks will: (a) be at least equal to the standards commonly used by the professional artistic and photographic community for illustrations, paintings, and photographs, (b) display the correct name of the Northrop Grumman vehicle(s), and (c) not disparage the name or reputation of Northrop Grumman or violate any laws.
The free license does not apply to the use of Northrop Grumman’s trademarks in books, posters or calendars in runs that exceed 5,000. Likewise, the free license does not apply to use of Northrop Grumman’s trademarks for any form of merchandise such as toys, models, clothing, coffee cups, notebooks, electronic or video games, etc. Licenses for such uses are available from

Director, Intellectual Asset Management
Northrop Grumman Corporation
1840 Century Park East
Los Angeles, CA 90067

But from previous comments made here it seems 1C may have made specific agreements which extends these terms in order to avoid legal conflict over Pacific Fighters.

I am surprised that they claim specific rights to the trademark "F-14". I thought that was a USAAF designation. However the term "Corsair" is understandable as a trademark. Perhaps you would be ok using "F14"

When it comes to ships it seems unlikely that NG would claim any rights to "CV5" but they might claim trademark rights to "Yorktown". --- Even though I expect it is the USN which decides on names of ships, not NG.

PS: I have e-mailed NG to clarify the last point. --- Don't hold your breath waiting for a reply.

[Oktoberfest]

You just need to email or write to this guy :

http://www.northropgrumman.com/leade.../wes_bush.html

Better agree on a common text first. As I'm not a native english speaker, I'm no sure I have the skill or the subtility to write a good letter.

Who's wanting to try ? Then everybody downloads the text, sign and send it to NG CEO Wes Bush.

Do you think it's a good idea ?

[Verhängnis]

Originally Posted by Asheshouse

The Northrop Grumman position on intellectual property rights.

From http://www.northropgrumman.com/ipm/tmpolicy.html

In summary NG claims trademark rights on the names of its "products" but does not claim any rights to images, drawings etc, provided the name is not used.



But from previous comments made here it seems 1C may have made specific agreements which extends these terms in order to avoid legal conflict over Pacific Fighters.

I am surprised that they claim specific rights to the trademark "F-14". I thought that was a USAAF designation. However the term "Corsair" is understandable as a trademark. Perhaps you would be ok using "F14"

When it comes to ships it seems unlikely that NG would claim any rights to "CV5" but they might claim trademark rights to "Yorktown". --- Even though I expect it is the USN which decides on names of ships, not NG.

PS: I have e-mailed NG to clarify the last point. --- Don't hold your breath waiting for a reply.

But did it ever occur to you that perhaps NG built the damn ship!
You should really do your research before making such claims:

"Newport News Shipbuilding (NNS), originally Newport News Shipbuilding and Drydock Company (NNS&DD), was the largest privately-owned shipyard in the United States prior to being purchased by Northrop Grumman in 2001."

So, yes for a matter of fact, they do own the rights to many ships, including the Yorktown and CV-5 model.

[csThor]

Still ... regardless of the actual copyright situation the contract between Ubi/1C and NG is the crux here. Like Luthier told SaQSon - "better leave it alone".

[Asheshouse]

Originally Posted by Verhängnis

But did it ever occur to you that perhaps NG built the damn ship!
You should really do your research before making such claims:

Of course I know that NNS built the ships.

Originally Posted by Verhängnis

So, yes for a matter of fact, they do own the rights to many ships, including the Yorktown and CV-5 model.

If you read the rest of the thread you might realise that they do not have any intellectual rights to photos, drawings, paintings or any other representation of the ships, as they themselves have acknowledged, but they may have rights relating to the use of trademarked names.

If you are going to declare something as "a matter of fact" you might explain the basis of your statement.

Ultimately though the problem may be not in copyright/trademark law but in the terms of the agreement between NG and UBI/1C as csThor says.

[SaQSoN]

Originally Posted by Asheshouse

The Northrop Grumman position on intellectual property rights.

In summary NG claims trademark rights on the names of its "products" but does not claim any rights to images, drawings etc, provided the name is not used.

Read carefully:

...the free license does not apply to use of Northrop Grumman’s trademarks for any form of merchandise such as toys, models, clothing, coffee cups, notebooks, electronic or video games, etc.

And it is not about names. It is also about external appearance.
Which means, people can not use objects which called, or look, like NG products, or both in the electronic or video games.

This free license allows people to make photos, or paintings of the NG products and label them with their real life names. That's all.