Simulation or Shoot-em-up?

[ATAG_Bliss]

nats,

The only thing I can guess is that you are new to the IL2 series. The great campaigns of old IL2 were produced by the community. The great campaigns of IL2COD will be produced by the community.

As far as immersing you into BOB, the FMB is there to recreate any situation you want. Unlike ROF, you are not stranded with small object and aircraft limitations in a mission. This is one of the few, if only, game engines in a flight sim that is only grounded by the hardware you run. For all criticism you give to IL2COD, especially talking about the immersion of feeling like you are part of the war, it's amazing that you praise ROF as much as you do, because the last thing you can do in ROF is simulate being part of WWI. Just take a quick stroll to the trenches (NML) and you'll find them empty. If the only thing you did in a ROF mission was fill the trenches up with the same number of AAA that was historically there, and didn't add one other object to the mission besides the plane you are flying, the mission wouldn't even load. This is regardless of your hardware.

That is much more of a concern to me (the game engine) than it's current un-optimized state, bugs, or FM that will get fixed in IL2COD. We've been waiting for 2 years (ever since the purchase of planes in ROF) for an FM fix for many of the planes. Instead of fixing the planes we have paid for they keep creating add on's and new planes to sell. I'm sorry, but that is complete crap IMO. These guys will actually have the game fixed, long before they try to sell you something.

The dead horse has been beatin to death. It's quite clear this sim was released or forced out the door early. But it's also quite clear that it is being supported and will get better. As I've stated before, as far as immersion and sim engines go the possibilities for IL2COD, will be endless.

It's also quite clear you never played ROF at launch. 4 planes, a master browser that crashed every 5 minutes, coop only mode that you were lucky to get 5 minutes of flying in before you crashed or got disconnected back to desktop, all of this while waiting 20 minutes in the 1st place just to be able to fly.

I do like ROF as a combat sim, but as a WWI sim, it's far from it.

Originally Posted by SYN_Bliss

nats,

The only thing I can guess is that you are new to the IL2 series. The great campaigns of old IL2 were produced by the community. The great campaigns of IL2COD will be produced by the community.

As far as immersing you into BOB, the FMB is there to recreate any situation you want. Unlike ROF, you are not stranded with small object and aircraft limitations in a mission. This is one of the few, if only, game engines in a flight sim that is only grounded by the hardware you run. For all criticism you give to IL2COD, especially talking about the immersion of feeling like you are part of the war, it's amazing that you praise ROF as much as you do, because the last thing you can do in ROF is simulate being part of WWI. Just take a quick stroll to the trenches (NML) and you'll find them empty. If the only thing you did in a ROF mission was fill the trenches up with the same number of AAA that was historically there, and didn't add one other object to the mission besides the plane you are flying, the mission wouldn't even load. This is regardless of your hardware.

That is much more of a concern to me (the game engine) than it's current un-optimized state, bugs, or FM that will get fixed in IL2COD. We've been waiting for 2 years (ever since the purchase of planes in ROF) for an FM fix for many of the planes. Instead of fixing the planes we have paid for they keep creating add on's and new planes to sell. I'm sorry, but that is complete crap IMO. These guys will actually have the game fixed, long before they try to sell you something.

The dead horse has been beatin to death. It's quite clear this sim was released or forced out the door early. But it's also quite clear that it is being supported and will get better. As I've stated before, as far as immersion and sim engines go the possibilities for IL2COD, will be endless.

It's also quite clear you never played ROF at launch. 4 planes, a master browser that crashed every 5 minutes, coop only mode that you were lucky to get 5 minutes of flying in before you crashed or got disconnected back to desktop, all of this while waiting 20 minutes in the 1st place just to be able to fly.

I do like ROF as a combat sim, but as a WWI sim, it's far from it.

Well said on RoF.

Not sure CoD is fixable, no matter how much time/energy/devotion the devs commit, but we'll see.

[TacKY]

Originally Posted by SYN_Bliss

I do like ROF as a combat sim, but as a WWI sim, it's far from it.

That's what it is suppose to be.... It never said that it was a WWI sim. At the moment, ROF is better. We aren't talking about two years ago but now. IL 2 is simply a buggy, horrible game and unless something changes soon then it is going to stay that way. And dont even start on that "Hurr Durr our computers can't handle its complexity Deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerp" It's the Devs job to to make it work correctly not ours.

[ATAG_Bliss]

Oh, I guess I got it all wrong then. According to your wonderful knowledge, I guess they released the bombers to dogfight? Just gonna go out on a limb here and say, that the reason they have a bomb load, is to bomb ground targets (maybe even simulate bombing some of the stuff that was in WWI they historically bombed). Who'd a thought they were released to fight with each other.

Thanks for clearing that up. The "deerping and Hurr Durr" really helped your cause as well.

[TacKY]

Originally Posted by SYN_Bliss

Oh, I guess I got it all wrong then. According to your wonderful knowledge, I guess they released the bombers to dogfight? Just gonna go out on a limb here and say, that the reason they have a bomb load, is to bomb ground targets (maybe even simulate bombing some of the stuff that was in WWI they historically bombed). Who'd a thought they were released to fight with each other.

Thanks for clearing that up. The "deerping and Hurr Durr" really helped your cause as well.

Because they dont have boats, trains, vehicles, stationary targets, hangers.... oh wait. You're trying to take a cheap shot at ROF because of COD shortcomings. THe game isnt even close to simulating WWII. I might as well stop right here since its only to going to turn into a monotonous COD vs ROF thread. As is, ROF is better then COD. Have fun with COD if you think otherwise but until the devs get some useful AI and a dynamic campaign, it wont change my view.

[ATAG_Bliss]

I'm not trying to take a cheap shot at anything. But for people like you or nats that are going to come here and try to compare a sim that was released and patched numerous times in over 2 years time to a sim that hasn't even been fully released yet, is laughable at best.

IL2COD short comings, the faults/bugs in it's current state will get fixed. ROF has a bunch of catching up to do to even come close to reaching the game engine or the potential of IL2COD. And you can basically recreate the BOB on the ground or in the air with the FMB. So you are wrong and obviously unknowledgable.

[TacKY]

Originally Posted by SYN_Bliss

I'm not trying to take a cheap shot at anything. But for people like you or nats that are going to come here and try to compare a sim that was released and patched numerous times in over 2 years time to a sim that hasn't even been fully released yet, is laughable at best.

IL2COD short comings, the faults/bugs in it's current state will get fixed. ROF has a bunch of catching up to do to even come close to reaching the game engine or the potential of IL2COD. And you can basically recreate the BOB on the ground or in the air with the FMB. So you are wrong and obviously unknowledgable.

Im comparing them in their current states now. Not what COD could be. You're obviously biased towards COD where I couldnt give a **** since if COD was better then I would say so. ROF has everything it needs to "recreate WWI" except for infantry combat and comprehensive tank battles. COD, at the moment, is sterile and lackluster. Its funny cause everything that even insinuates something against COD is met with hostility. Lrn2internet.

So you are wrong and obviously unknowledgable since you're trying to say that ROF will never reach the "POTENTIAL trolololol" of COD. The only potential I see is the discarded area of Ubisoft's big failed games lounge unless something is done soon and not in two years. Imma leave this here since it validates everything. Amidoinitrite?

I have simply given my opinion on the matter and you simply want to start some bull shit. Maybe I should wait for a couple years before I get the game that they actually meant to make which is a horrible strategy since they have publishers.

[Seeker]

Originally Posted by SYN_Bliss

I'm not trying to take a cheap shot at anything. But for people like you or nats that are going to come here and try to compare a sim that was released and patched numerous times in over 2 years time to a sim that hasn't even been fully released yet, is laughable at best.
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Not fully released?

I sure as hell paid full price.

As far as I'm aware, ROF took a dam sight less then 8 years development plus a alpha release plus god alone knows how many patches it's going to take before I don't feel I was defrauded out of my money.

Yes, I'm aware it's only 30 bucks. I'd be bloody annoyed if the bar man short changed me a couple of quid even if the beer was drinkable. When he short changes me AND serves cat's piss then ....

But still, if you like the taste.

[TacKY]

Originally Posted by Seeker

Not fully released?

I sure as hell paid full price.

As far as I'm aware, ROF took a dam sight less then 8 years development plus a alpha release plus god alone knows how many patches it's going to take before I don't feel I was defrauded out of my money.

Yes, I'm aware it's only 30 bucks. I'd be bloody annoyed if the bar man short changed me a couple of quid even if the beer was drinkable. When he short changes me AND serves cat's piss then ....

But still, if you like the taste.

P O T E N T I A L

On these forums, you never talk about the current state of the game. Only its P O T E N T I A L.

Also, he is trying to say that it will magically get better once it is released in the US. They can have their delusions.