Historical HakenKreuz

[DoolittleRaider]

Lots of profiles here...page 2 and 3 are roughly the BofB timeframe. You'll also see here the earlier thin-bordered HK's of '39 and early '40.

http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/b/29/2

[Jg2001_Rasputin]

I changed the german/italian flag to a more historical one:



Download Link: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KPXGQZXU


Just extract to ...\Steam\steamapps\common\il-2 sturmovik cliffs of dover\parts\core\GUI\Army and overwrite the old file.

[Rocka]

While I do appreciate historical correctness I thought this game was about flying...
Just looking at the topic makes me smile...Historical Hakenkreuz...why is half the sentence in english and the other half in german? Trying to hide something here are we?

Call it what it is: Historical Nazi markings, and half the world goes -Oh MY GOD Noooo!!!

[DoolittleRaider]

Historische hakenkreuz.... Better?

[FlushMeister]

I'm not a nazi, rivet counter or history nerd at all but I think the Swastika completes the marking-composition of the axis aircraft, but i can understand if 1c doesn't want to use it, after all russia lost like 24 million lives because of that war, so people are of course sensetive...

[DoolittleRaider]

Nazi is an abbreviated short term for Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (“National Socialist German Workers’ Party”). It is not an acronym; it is a phonetic spelling of the pronunciation of the first two 'syllables':Na-Ti

This short term, Nazi, is and was used more often in English rather than in German, in which the acronym NSDAP was used.

I would be interested to know from any German 1C community member with relatives who lived in Germany in the 30's and 40's if the term "Na-ti" (Nazi) was used widely, or used at all, by Germans.


Nazi Swastika is "English"
NSDAP Hakenkreuz is German

[ATAG_Dutch]

Correct. Churchill actually pronounced it 'Nahzzees' as in 'Hitler's Nahzzees'.

With an English Z pronunciation rather than the German 'ts'.

[Jg2001_Rasputin]

Originally Posted by DoolittleRaider

I would be interested to know from any German 1C community member with relatives who lived in Germany in the 30's and 40's if the term "Na-ti" (Nazi) was used widely, or used at all, by Germans.

Nazi Look up Nazi at Dictionary.com
1930, from Ger. Nazi, abbreviation of German pronunciation of Nationalsozialist (based on earlier Ger. sozi, popular abbreviaton of "socialist"), from Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei "National Socialist German Workers' Party," led by Hitler from 1920. The 24th edition of Etymologisches Wörterbuch der deutschen Sprache (2002) says the word Nazi was favored in southern Germany (supposedly from c.1924) among opponents of National Socialism because the nickname Nazi (from the masc. proper name Ignatz, German form of Ignatius) was used colloquially to mean "a foolish person, clumsy or awkward person." Ignatz was a popular name in Catholic Austria, and according to one source in WWI Nazi was a generic name in the German Empire for the soldiers of Austria-Hungary. An older use of Nazi for national-sozial is attested in German from 1903, but EWdS does not think it contributed to the word as applied to Hitler and his followers. The NSDAP for a time attempted to adopt the Nazi designation as what the Germans call a "despite-word," but they gave this up, and the NSDAP is said to have generally avoided the term. Before 1930, party members had been called in English National Socialists, which dates from 1923. The use of Nazi Germany, Nazi regime, etc., was popularized by German exiles abroad. From them, it spread into other languages, and eventually was brought back to Germany, after the war. In the USSR, the terms national socialist and Nazi were said to have been forbidden after 1932, presumably to avoid any taint to the good word socialist. Soviet literature refers to fascists.

Source: http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Nazi

[Wutz]

Originally Posted by DoolittleRaider

Nazi is an abbreviated short term for Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (“National Socialist German Workers’ Party”). It is not an acronym; it is a phonetic spelling of the pronunciation of the first two 'syllables':Na-Ti

This short term, Nazi, is and was used more often in English rather than in German, in which the acronym NSDAP was used.

I would be interested to know from any German 1C community member with relatives who lived in Germany in the 30's and 40's if the term "Na-ti" (Nazi) was used widely, or used at all, by Germans.


Nazi Swastika is "English"
NSDAP Hakenkreuz is German

I am from Germany, and my grandfather fought on the German side in WWII but I never heard of the term "Na-ti" where did you get that from? The term "Nazi" was used also in Germany but more as a insult, for those trying to be 150% like the NSDAP wanted.

[Rocka]

Originally Posted by DoolittleRaider

Historische hakenkreuz.... Better?

/applaud for you sir for the ability to use google translate!

And yes that is better.

Still it is kinda funny that some grumpy old guys in here goes rambling all over the place while trying to defend their right to use these Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei markings (i wonder why people use the short term Nazi, when they can write that peerlessly "short" sentence), when the majority of the threads in this forum is about how to even get the game running on their computers.

But I guess the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei markings is THAT important.