Warning: This game is on the edge. Support it or watch it die.

[HFC_Dolphin]

By the way, do you actually believe that hardcore members of ths community, who raise their objections here, are doing the same in generic gaming forums?
For all that's worth, I (and I think all of us) am defending 1000% the game in all other forums.
We know all the legitimate excuses and can handle them better than any fanboy of this forum, but this doesn't mean that we're gonna fool our selves here, cause we actually love this game more than idiots who will accept half of a product instead of the whole potential that lies just in front of our eyes.

Simple translation of above statement for those having mind problems: if devs stick to fanboys' posts, they better get ready for the death of their game, cause these posts will force them to believe that they're "there". And when these fanboys return to their pacman or some heretic religion against free-speech, devs will turn back to their real supporters and ask "what the heck did we do wrong?" and they will get the simple reply "we were telling you all this time and you only thought that we were rude".

[Sven]

Originally Posted by Ali Fish

that is a very important comment.

i cant bring myself to be that supportive fanboy. because to support this you cant sit back and see what happens or is that infact what supporting means. . but iam afraid that is all we can do for many different reasons including not getting on peoples nerves at this forum. and well im not a fanboy. Or am i ? im not sure anymore. and im not perfectly content enough to get anywhere near supportive. so... this post is now irelevant isnt it ?

my support comes in the form of my quietness now in the belief that there is nothing i can do to make this outcome positive other than pay more money out to people like ubisoft. im happy for it to go directly to 1C btw.

what support can we possibly give out of interest because game review sites dont take into account fanboyism really. yet the scores are in low low figures. Its not us that has to support this over than buying it. Its 1C and Ubisoft. the ball is in there court. whilst 1 of thee parties will do the work the other wont. simple as that.

Are ubisoft running around generating support for 1C ? shed some light 1C developers. what are ubisoft exactly doing for you other than getting in the way at every junction ?

Support has many meanings and support knows many forms, being silent is one of them. The way I see it is: If you have bought the game then you've done your part to keep it going, if you return it to the store have you failed the series, or have the devs failed you? Both I say, returning the sim to the store isn't going to help getting a better sim either, it does leave a message that there's something wrong with the game, but I'm pretty sure that Luthier and co got that message already

My thoughts about Ubisoft: After so many 'false' release dates there should've been a lot of advertisement made ready, right? I don't really get it why so little advertisement and effort was put out by Ubi, or Ubisoft never saw the light in the sim in the first place, reducing their costs as much as possible and rely on the old IL2 crowd to at least cover the expenses made by the devs, and then drop the series once it's released, to get rid of it and step out of the dying flight sim market. Pure speculation, to be honest I don't think the situation is that negative, but after SH5 the thumbs down remain carved in my thoughts about Ubi.

I'm not pointing my finger, just a general message.

[camel24hrs]

As long as there is MONEY coming in there is a future for this game. All the whining is not going to make a difference one way or the other about if this sim stays in development......MONEY...... it is all about the MONEY. That is why they released a sim that was in no way ready to fly..........MONEY. When the MONEY drys up so will the game development. So quit whining about treating the developer with kid gloves...

Originally Posted by camel24hrs

When the MONEY drys up so will the game development.

and we have an unfinished released game because of what exactly ? i do not suggest anyones money has run out. but there greed sure has caused the release in the state it has. ubisoft.

ubisoft dont care, they are quite happy to lay ruin here. they seek the 1 game thats capable of generating funds in the billions. and they are more interested in producing that title over and over, year after year with no real technological advancements. Spending money in this realm is simply a futile expereince given what there aspirations are. OM didnt leave by throwing his toys out the pram. he left because of the bastereds at ubisoft laying ruin to everything he stands for and that what we appreciate so much.

[Kano_Magnus]

Originally Posted by Baron

Thats just it, we get it, we got it now, what, 1 gazillion times.

Apparently not.

Now Les:

you can't then turn around and complain if it doesn't work out for you

I can, and I will, especially as this is the only game I've ever had trouble with from Steam. The publishers knew the sorry state of the game and released it through channels that prevent customer returns. This is probably going to piss some people off.

If you bought into the new series not knowing that, then you just didn't know what you were buying into

I must have missed the bit on the website that says Maddox Games are allowed to release shoddy half-arsed products w/o comeback. Can you point me to the link? I mean if it doesn't exist then new customers who aren't aware of a glorious 10 year legacy of releasing broken games might be concerned. This is probably going to piss some people off.

complaining about the initial release state of the game, is pointless and disrespectful and inconsiderate, and is probably going to piss some people off.

Having a game that runs like it's on a 286 when you have a PC far in advance of recommended system specs may, just perchance, piss some people off. Rumours that the real beta testers were ignored may also lead to some people being pissed off. Gaming is a business, Maddox Games are not personal friends and have wittingly or unwittingly pulled a bait-and-switch on their loyal customers. I think this may count as 'disrespectful', possibly even 'inconsiderate'. When the bad reviews and bad rep spread over the internet it may even fall into the category of 'pointless'.

Having the game continually and relentlessly represented as a totally unplayable mess with no redeeming features, is probably going to piss some people off.

There seems to be a not insignificant number of people who share that experience, and swatting their concerns away with some blithe BS about how some other game from a million years ago needed a patch too is probably going to piss those people off.

when two people buy the same game and one thinks it's the best thing ever and one thinks it's the worst thing ever, which person would you rather hear from?

The latter, they're probably nearer the mark and in this case are proving helpful to a lot of people who've spared themselves the bother of fighting Oleg's army of fawning morons...

Originally Posted by Kano_Magnus

Apparently not.

Now Les:



I can, and I will, especially as this is the only game I've ever had trouble with from Steam. The publishers knew the sorry state of the game and released it through channels that prevent customer returns. This is probably going to piss some people off.



I must have missed the bit on the website that says Maddox Games are allowed to release shoddy half-arsed products w/o comeback. Can you point me to the link? I mean if it doesn't exist then new customers who aren't aware of a glorious 10 year legacy of releasing broken games might be concerned. This is probably going to piss some people off.



Having a game that runs like it's on a 286 when you have a PC far in advance of recommended system specs may, just perchance, piss some people off. Rumours that the real beta testers were ignored may also lead to some people being pissed off. Gaming is a business, Maddox Games are not personal friends and have wittingly or unwittingly pulled a bait-and-switch on their loyal customers. I think this may count as 'disrespectful', possibly even 'inconsiderate'. When the bad reviews and bad rep spread over the internet it may even fall into the category of 'pointless'.



There seems to be a not insignificant number of people who share that experience, and swatting their concerns away with some blithe BS about how some other game from a million years ago needed a patch too is probably going to piss those people off.



The latter, they're probably nearer the mark and in this case are proving helpful to a lot of people who've spared themselves the bother of fighting Oleg's army of fawning morons...

Epic, harsh, but Epic

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by Kano_Magnus

The latter, they're probably nearer the mark and in this case are proving helpful to a lot of people who've spared themselves the bother of fighting Oleg's army of fawning morons...

I've read a lot of the bitching whine-fests, and they don't seem to be very helpful. The game clearly has some problems. I get it. But, someone whining about how poorly coded it is does not seem particularly helpful to me. How does it help you?

[Les]

Originally Posted by Kano_Magnus

...I can, and I will, especially as this is the only game I've ever had trouble with from Steam. The publishers knew the sorry state of the game and released it through channels that prevent customer returns. This is probably going to piss some people off...I must have missed the bit on the website that says Maddox Games are allowed to release shoddy half-arsed products w/o comeback. Can you point me to the link? I mean if it doesn't exist then new customers who aren't aware of a glorious 10 year legacy of releasing broken games might be concerned. This is probably going to piss some people off...Having a game that runs like it's on a 286 when you have a PC far in advance of recommended system specs may, just perchance, piss some people off. Rumours that the real beta testers were ignored may also lead to some people being pissed off. Gaming is a business, Maddox Games are not personal friends and have wittingly or unwittingly pulled a bait-and-switch on their loyal customers. I think this may count as 'disrespectful', possibly even 'inconsiderate'. When the bad reviews and bad rep spread over the internet it may even fall into the category of 'pointless'...There seems to be a not insignificant number of people who share that experience, and swatting their concerns away with some blithe BS about how some other game from a million years ago needed a patch too is probably going to piss those people off...The latter, they're probably nearer the mark and in this case are proving helpful to a lot of people who've spared themselves the bother of fighting Oleg's army of fawning morons...

Sorry, to you and the spectators who seem to enjoy this sort of stuff, but I'm just going to dismiss all that, feel free to see it as proof that you're correct and justified or however you want to see it, but this is the exact reason I don't usually post in these sort of threads. I'm tempted to get into the cut and paste thing, and there are counter-points to what you're saying, but you've just proven, to me anyway, there's nothing I could say that you yourself wouldn't outright dismiss or re-interpret to suit your preferred point of view. Sorry if my opinions offended you in some way and that you feel so hard-done-by, hope it all works out for you in the end.

[USAF77]

If you haven't seen them already, the reviews in German gaming magazines, on Gamespot and PC Gamer have panned the game.

Maybe those reviews were deserved, but the fact is, if this game goes under, no one is going to suffer but us flight simmers.

All those posters on these boards who I see whining and complaining better understand something:

If this game goes under, you will have nothing to do but whine. No game, no development, NOTHING.

The only smart thing to do at this point is to support the developers, give them POSITIVE feedback on issues.

Don't harp on issues which have been mentioned a hundred times, there is no point.

Unless you WANT the game to fail.

I personally have bought a copy online, and will be buying another hard copy in the stores when it arrives.

DO NOT KID YOURSELF. THIS GAME IS ON THE EDGE.

I think you have lost your mind. That or you have some kind of interest at stake here. Or you have been drinking.

Go take a walk around the block and meet the human race, Youv been staring at screens to long. Even in my drinking days I would never hold customers responsable for a product the manufacturer loused up.

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by USAF77

I think you have lost your mind.
You've been staring at screens to long.

We get a lot of 'em here mate.