The strange case of the bouncy bombs

[Vengeanze]

Skipbombing is how we did it in Pacific Fighter; go in low and high speed to make the bomb bounce of the water into the ship. So no bug - like already said it's a mix between forward speed, alt and delayed fuse.

[Conte Zero]

I really could never imagine that - Im not such an expert - I thought the violence of the impact would make the bombs explode immediately, regardless of height and speed. thank you.

[1.JaVA_Platypus]

Originally Posted by Conte Zero

I really could never imagine that - Im not such an expert - I thought the violence of the impact would make the bombs explode immediately, regardless of height and speed. thank you.

Timers were set for delayed explosion. I've read somewhere they used 6 seconds. The idea was that the bomb would hit the side of the ship, without exploding or penetrating. The bomb would then sink and detonate beneath the ship. The resulting pressure wave should lift the ship out of the water and 'break' its back.

[335th_GRAthos]

Having done some further testing I found out that:

The SC250 as well as the 4 x SC50 on the Bf109-3B are not exploding 90% of the time!
There is only one way to make them explode every time:
- Start a steep climb with the Bf109
- With the nose pointing sharply upwards, release the bombs
- The released bombs will continue their upward trajectory for a while and then fall downwards.
100% percent guarranteed the bomb explodes!

The ME110-C7 with 2xSC500 has no problems
(I have not yet tested a ME100 with SC250s...)


~S~

[Babi]

it's cool that the bomb bouncing is simulated, but currently seems to be a little overdone. something that weights 250 kg doesnt bounce back like that (not even on hard terrain)... it feels a little unnatural, like dropping a bunch of basketballs.

I didnt see any dust/dirt effect when the bombs hit/bounce off the ground; can anyone confirm this?

[Flanker35M]

S!

The bouncing bombs in CoD are a bad joke. A bug needing a fix ASAP.

[Strike]

Just wanted to add some real-life experience to this....

When listening to the FACs talk about the F-16 dropping bluebombs (concrete bombs practice MK82's that only simulate regular MK82's weight and performance without the bang) I've heard the bombs actually go through the earth, follow the rockbottom under the dirt and then emerge further away from the impact hole... The bombs carry SERIOUS amounts of energy, and if the bomb keeps its shape relatively intact, it should bounce up again like a pingpong ball if it doesn't dig into the ground. Just saying that considering the amount of energy these carry, it should be enough to launch it upwards again.

BUT I agree...

The bombs in IL-2 CloD seem to bounce up without any energy loss that would normaly be absorbed by the ground and deducted from the bomb as it "skips" across the landscape. Normally I'd say the bomb would dig itself slightly into the ground, deforming it before skipping further, now with much less energy than it initially had. So yes, I think it needs to be tuned a little down per "skip".

[335th_GRAthos]

Originally Posted by Babi

I didnt see any dust/dirt effect when the bombs hit/bounce off the ground; can anyone confirm this?

Let's not overdo it!

But, the duds (or unarmed) leave a nice crater on the ground (when you managed to nail the bomb into the ground by dive bombing).

Originally Posted by Vengeanze

Skipbombing is how we did it in Pacific Fighter; go in low and high speed to make the bomb bounce of the water into the ship. So no bug - like already said it's a mix between forward speed, alt and delayed fuse.

I think you may be confused, maybe its possible to skip with a stuka maybe if they were dropped horizontally, but the idea of the dive bomb is so the bomb is falling as near to vertical as possible.
Same too with the He111 with the bombs being stored vertically when they release they tumble at first then after TV they are going near vertical with not as much as horizontal movement compared to horizontal loading

[Vengeanze]

Originally Posted by BigPickle

I think you may be confused, maybe its possible to skip with a stuka maybe if they were dropped horizontally, but the idea of the dive bomb is so the bomb is falling as near to vertical as possible.
Same too with the He111 with the bombs being stored vertically when they release they tumble at first then after TV they are going near vertical with not as much as horizontal movement compared to horizontal loading

He was flying fast at low alt so the bombs where probably not armed on impact. Can't see how the stacking and dropping of the bombs would affect anything in that situation. But like you said I'm a bit confused.