Cliffs of Dover Is The Best. But Some Of You Don't Appreciate It.

[Avala]

Cliffs of Dover Is The Best. But Some Of You Don't Appreciate It.

Jawohl mein Führer!

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by snwkill

Yea but at least if they didn't release it, they wouldn't have dragged their name in the dirt. I am not sure what the reasoning was, but they did it. And yes while complaining really doesn't matter we might as well just "STFU", and leave for the summer and hopefully by fall come back to something better, this is a community.

Everyone is here complaining because they care, because they want to love the game, I guarantee everyone in here complaining is an avid flight sim fan, and wants this game to be the best thing for the next 8 years.

So unless the boards are taking away from the 1C company or causing some server to meltdown, you need the complainers, because from my stance the "complainers" are about 50% of the sales, and I don't see any new simmers jumping ship anytime soon.

The publishers and developers arn't stupid people and would not have released COD in the state it was in unless it was abolutely necessary. They new full well the respose would initially be bad. Now hopefully enough funds have been raised to secure further work on the series. This is actually a good thing for us, we may initially get a faulty product, but we now could have a product that will be continually added too and improved upon, instead of a development company that shuts down before the game is released.

Complainers that do so in a constructive manor are a great asset to the community, but there are more than a few that drive away new customers of the genre, which we all could ill afford. The only positive thing they do is provide entertainment, and keep the forums lively, while we still have a genre to participate in.

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Originally Posted by Chivas

The publishers and developers arn't stupid people and would not have released COD in the state it was in unless it was abolutely necessary. They new full well the respose would initially be bad. Now hopefully enough funds have been raised to secure further work on the series. This is actually a good thing for us, we may initially get a faulty product, but we now could have a product that will be continually added too and improved upon, instead of a development company that shuts down before the game is released.

Complainers that do so in a constructive manor are a great asset to the community, but there are more than a few that drive away new customers of the genre, which we all could ill afford. The only positive thing they do is provide entertainment, and keep the forums lively, while we still have a genre to participate in.

Amen brother!!!

As Chivas said constructive critisim is a great thing, just pilling in the negative comments helps nothing. We all know that Oleg as a veru good reputation. He will deliver. They propbably just needed the cash to do so.

I really hope that the new addons (maps/plane/ships/ground object pack) are made available for a price, not givenaway for free. IMHO it is a small price to pay to assure the continuity of this genre. I know I would pay $30-$50 US for an expension pack.

This way maybe we will have drivable tanks, ships, subs, etc... This would be the BOMB

[SacaSoh]

Originally Posted by Zoom2136

I really hope that the new addons (maps/plane/ships/ground object pack) are made available for a price, not givenaway for free. IMHO it is a small price to pay to assure the continuity of this genre. I know I would pay $30-$50 US for an expension pack.

This way maybe we will have drivable tanks, ships, subs, etc... This would be the BOMB

Let they finish the core game first before your drop your pants and offer your money.

[Zoom2136]

Originally Posted by SacaSoh

Let they finish the core game first before your drop your pants and offer your money.

LOL, I owned a software development company... I'm not dropping anything just stating the obvious... nothing is free in this word

[Blue Scorpion]

Originally Posted by Zoom2136

Amen brother!!!

As Chivas said constructive critisim is a great thing, just pilling in the negative comments helps nothing. We all know that Oleg as a veru good reputation. He will deliver. They propbably just needed the cash to do so.

Except Oleg has nothing to do with this anymore, and what's more, people so conveniently forget, when IL2 was first released it was the only title in their stable, it was their only bread and butter, so they continued to work and polish with Oleg driving for perfection.

That is no longer the case, they have grown, and have many projects now, all deserving attention, and the original driving force has left the building along with Elvis. There are no guarantees whatsoever this title will get the same level or longevity of attention as IL2 , indeed there are many factors against that happening now.

People keep talking, banging on and on, saying it will be great in a year, or two; but in truth, they do not have a damn clue what level of support this title is likely to get. Moreover, the incessant droning about its rosy future, is just as annoying as those complaining, because the product as it stands TODAY is a broken mess, and Luthier and co have our money in their pockets now, today, not two years from now.

Everyone posting about how grand it will all be when fixed and branding everyone who disagrees is a "hater" or "troll" and claiming they should not post, should take a long hard look in that mirror. You are expressing an opinion, but would deny others the right to express theirs, simply because they disagree with you; and that my friends, makes you one and all, a bunch of hypocrites'; a beast, far worse than those who quite rightly complain about something they have paid for not working as advertised.

[SNAFU]

Originally Posted by Blue Scorpion

Except Oleg has nothing to do with this anymore, and what's more, people so conveniently forget, when IL2 was first released it was the only title in their stable, it was their only bread and butter, so they continued to work and polish with Oleg driving for perfection.

That is no longer the case, they have grown, and have many projects now, all deserving attention, and the original driving force has left the building along with Elvis. There are no guarantees whatsoever this title will get the same level or longevity of attention as IL2 , indeed there are many factors against that happening now.

People keep talking, banging on and on, saying it will be great in a year, or two; but in truth, they do not have a damn clue what level of support this title is likely to get. Moreover, the incessant droning about its rosy future, is just as annoying as those complaining, because the product as it stands TODAY is a broken mess, and Luthier and co have our money in their pockets now, today, not two years from now.

Everyone posting about how grand it will all be when fixed and branding everyone who disagrees is a "hater" or "troll" and claiming they should not post, should take a long hard look in that mirror. You are expressing an opinion, but would deny others the right to express theirs, simply because they disagree with you; and that my friends, makes you one and all, a bunch of hypocrites'; a beast, far worse than those who quite rightly complain about something they have paid for not working as advertised.

I second that, but only because I am looking for a disctraction from work...

I refrained from buying CoD until last Sunday, because I did not want to support UBI, which I thoutht to be the driving factor for the situation we are in. Finally I bought it via Steam, because I want to support simulation software developent generally. I also installed it, set all setting on max and tested a littel. London was flyable with around 25 FPS in low altitudes. LeHavre wasn´t, down to 12 FPS. Over sea I got 160+FPS (i know meaningless). Above 2000m the landscape looks messed up on highest settings, no joy. I don´t mention the stutters I had even with 80FPS indicated by FRAPS. What surprised me, was that my CPU workload never was higher than 25%, well, RAM was not visable touched (I7 2600 at stock 3,4GHz/1333MHz 8GB RAM/ ATI 6950-2GB). I don´t mind that, I was expecting this, so what? But I will not waste my time with CTDs, tinkering my system, just to get frustrated by random bugs of an faulty products. That`s the job of testers.

So, I would have even give the team 100 Euro or more, if they would have frankly said something like: " Hey folks. We faced some problems, we didn´t expect, we made mistakes in management and some wrong decisions, but we learnt a lot and at the end of the day, we didn´t meet our objective and the market is unforgiving. We would like to finish the programm, but we ran out of money. We give you access to the alpha-Version for a donation of 100€..."

But the way they choose to go, is unprofessional IMHO and not really satisfying. I have doubts, as the ones raised by Blue Scorpion.

I donated, bought a lizence for the product and hope they will continue support and overcome their problems in their management, in their software and their product. But I am not that naive to suppose that their success is granted. I will check again in 6 months or a year.

But now back to RoF...

[Baron]

Originally Posted by Blue Scorpion

Except Oleg has nothing to do with this anymore, and what's more, people so conveniently forget, when IL2 was first released it was the only title in their stable, it was their only bread and butter, so they continued to work and polish with Oleg driving for perfection.

That is no longer the case, they have grown, and have many projects now, all deserving attention, and the original driving force has left the building along with Elvis. There are no guarantees whatsoever this title will get the same level or longevity of attention as IL2 , indeed there are many factors against that happening now.

People keep talking, banging on and on, saying it will be great in a year, or two; but in truth, they do not have a damn clue what level of support this title is likely to get. Moreover, the incessant droning about its rosy future, is just as annoying as those complaining, because the product as it stands TODAY is a broken mess, and Luthier and co have our money in their pockets now, today, not two years from now.

Everyone posting about how grand it will all be when fixed and branding everyone who disagrees is a "hater" or "troll" and claiming they should not post, should take a long hard look in that mirror. You are expressing an opinion, but would deny others the right to express theirs, simply because they disagree with you; and that my friends, makes you one and all, a bunch of hypocrites'; a beast, far worse than those who quite rightly complain about something they have paid for not working as advertised.

Oleg have NOT washed his hands and left the building, i couldn't even if he wanted to.

And thats more or less quoted from Luthier.


Besides, everyone assumes Oleg is the only one who knows what he is doing, he havent done all this by him self u know.

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by Blue Scorpion

Except Oleg has nothing to do with this anymore, and what's more, people so conveniently forget, when IL2 was first released it was the only title in their stable, it was their only bread and butter, so they continued to work and polish with Oleg driving for perfection.

Oleg is gone........ so?

That is no longer the case, they have grown, and have many projects now, all deserving attention, and the original driving force has left the building along with Elvis. There are no guarantees whatsoever this title will get the same level or longevity of attention as IL2 , indeed there are many factors against that happening now.

There is no reason you should be constantly banging your head against the wall screaming that this won`t be as good as the IL2 Sturmovik. Luthier has been behind things AFAIK since Aces Expansion Pack so he qualifies as "the driving force". If you negate the potential of this title being any good in the future, just leave. Simple. You aren`t changing anyone`s opinion anyway.

People keep talking, banging on and on, saying it will be great in a year, or two; but in truth, they do not have a damn clue what level of support this title is likely to get. Moreover, the incessant droning about its rosy future, is just as annoying as those complaining, because the product as it stands TODAY is a broken mess, and Luthier and co have our money in their pockets now, today, not two years from now.

As of TODAY, I have spent a total of 40€ to play this game. That is all I payed for giving those folks some slack. Payed for their jobs and payed them to work in the future. Now those who have stayed with IL2 since 2001 have every right and proof to say that the game will be great, in some time. Meanwhile, those complaining are doing just that - complaining. You must be quite a sad person to get a spazmatic cry over 40€.

Everyone posting about how grand it will all be when fixed and branding everyone who disagrees is a "hater" or "troll" and claiming they should not post, should take a long hard look in that mirror. You are expressing an opinion, but would deny others the right to express theirs, simply because they disagree with you; and that my friends, makes you one and all, a bunch of hypocrites'; a beast, far worse than those who quite rightly complain about something they have paid for not working as advertised.

Constructive criticism is always welcome. Your post is just another example of a person who needs to get a life, because obviously he doesn`t have anything else to do in his sad existance other than to sit in front of a pc.
I understand your life is shaterred.

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