Cliffs of Dover Is The Best. But Some Of You Don't Appreciate It.

[snwkill]

Originally Posted by JG27CaptStubing

Yeah I have to agree with a lot of the comments.

It's really a Beta so suck it up and wait for new patches. I certainly hope they get enough to make it viable or we are looking at a dead product. You can't sell this to new folks and expect them to stick with it.

It reminds me of DCS A10. Bought the prebeta with all the bugs and performance issues knowing it would become something really good. So far so good.

I really do hope this works out.

Well said, as long as it gets ironed out, which it sounds like maybe in a month or so... We will all forget about the first month or so of this paid Beta release...

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by snwkill

Yea but at least if they didn't release it, they wouldn't have dragged their name in the dirt. I am not sure what the reasoning was, but they did it. And yes while complaining really doesn't matter we might as well just "STFU", and leave for the summer and hopefully by fall come back to something better, this is a community.

Everyone is here complaining because they care, because they want to love the game, I guarantee everyone in here complaining is an avid flight sim fan, and wants this game to be the best thing for the next 8 years.

So unless the boards are taking away from the 1C company or causing some server to meltdown, you need the complainers, because from my stance the "complainers" are about 50% of the sales, and I don't see any new simmers jumping ship anytime soon.

The publishers and developers arn't stupid people and would not have released COD in the state it was in unless it was abolutely necessary. They new full well the respose would initially be bad. Now hopefully enough funds have been raised to secure further work on the series. This is actually a good thing for us, we may initially get a faulty product, but we now could have a product that will be continually added too and improved upon, instead of a development company that shuts down before the game is released.

Complainers that do so in a constructive manor are a great asset to the community, but there are more than a few that drive away new customers of the genre, which we all could ill afford. The only positive thing they do is provide entertainment, and keep the forums lively, while we still have a genre to participate in.

[Zoom2136]

Originally Posted by Chivas

The publishers and developers arn't stupid people and would not have released COD in the state it was in unless it was abolutely necessary. They new full well the respose would initially be bad. Now hopefully enough funds have been raised to secure further work on the series. This is actually a good thing for us, we may initially get a faulty product, but we now could have a product that will be continually added too and improved upon, instead of a development company that shuts down before the game is released.

Complainers that do so in a constructive manor are a great asset to the community, but there are more than a few that drive away new customers of the genre, which we all could ill afford. The only positive thing they do is provide entertainment, and keep the forums lively, while we still have a genre to participate in.

Amen brother!!!

As Chivas said constructive critisim is a great thing, just pilling in the negative comments helps nothing. We all know that Oleg as a veru good reputation. He will deliver. They propbably just needed the cash to do so.

I really hope that the new addons (maps/plane/ships/ground object pack) are made available for a price, not givenaway for free. IMHO it is a small price to pay to assure the continuity of this genre. I know I would pay $30-$50 US for an expension pack.

This way maybe we will have drivable tanks, ships, subs, etc... This would be the BOMB

[SacaSoh]

Originally Posted by Zoom2136

I really hope that the new addons (maps/plane/ships/ground object pack) are made available for a price, not givenaway for free. IMHO it is a small price to pay to assure the continuity of this genre. I know I would pay $30-$50 US for an expension pack.

This way maybe we will have drivable tanks, ships, subs, etc... This would be the BOMB

Let they finish the core game first before your drop your pants and offer your money.

[Blue Scorpion]

Originally Posted by Zoom2136

Amen brother!!!

As Chivas said constructive critisim is a great thing, just pilling in the negative comments helps nothing. We all know that Oleg as a veru good reputation. He will deliver. They propbably just needed the cash to do so.

Except Oleg has nothing to do with this anymore, and what's more, people so conveniently forget, when IL2 was first released it was the only title in their stable, it was their only bread and butter, so they continued to work and polish with Oleg driving for perfection.

That is no longer the case, they have grown, and have many projects now, all deserving attention, and the original driving force has left the building along with Elvis. There are no guarantees whatsoever this title will get the same level or longevity of attention as IL2 , indeed there are many factors against that happening now.

People keep talking, banging on and on, saying it will be great in a year, or two; but in truth, they do not have a damn clue what level of support this title is likely to get. Moreover, the incessant droning about its rosy future, is just as annoying as those complaining, because the product as it stands TODAY is a broken mess, and Luthier and co have our money in their pockets now, today, not two years from now.

Everyone posting about how grand it will all be when fixed and branding everyone who disagrees is a "hater" or "troll" and claiming they should not post, should take a long hard look in that mirror. You are expressing an opinion, but would deny others the right to express theirs, simply because they disagree with you; and that my friends, makes you one and all, a bunch of hypocrites'; a beast, far worse than those who quite rightly complain about something they have paid for not working as advertised.

[Theshark888]

Originally Posted by Zoom2136

We all know that Oleg as a veru good reputation. He will deliver.

Oleg is gone and has been for a while, which may be the whole problem.
Luthier messed up PF and CoD is strike 2.

[mungee]

Originally Posted by Chivas

The publishers and developers arn't stupid people and would not have released COD in the state it was in unless it was abolutely necessary. They new full well the respose would initially be bad. Now hopefully enough funds have been raised to secure further work on the series. This is actually a good thing for us, we may initially get a faulty product, but we now could have a product that will be continually added too and improved upon, instead of a development company that shuts down before the game is released.

Complainers that do so in a constructive manor are a great asset to the community, but there are more than a few that drive away new customers of the genre, which we all could ill afford. The only positive thing they do is provide entertainment, and keep the forums lively, while we still have a genre to participate in.

I agree 100% with Chivas' comments. I think that this sim has ENORMOUS potential and, for all of our sakes, it must be supported and the developers/publishers must be ENCOURAGED to keep improving/refining it!

[Zoom2136]

Originally Posted by snwkill

Yea but at least if they didn't release it, they wouldn't have dragged their name in the dirt. I am not sure what the reasoning was, but they did it. And yes while complaining really doesn't matter we might as well just "STFU", and leave for the summer and hopefully by fall come back to something better, this is a community.

Everyone is here complaining because they care, because they want to love the game, I guarantee everyone in here complaining is an avid flight sim fan, and wants this game to be the best thing for the next 8 years.

So unless the boards are taking away from the 1C company or causing some server to meltdown, you need the complainers, because from my stance the "complainers" are about 50% of the sales, and I don't see any new simmers jumping ship anytime soon.

LOL all will be forgotten in "2 weeks"

[Ibis]

"Everything seems new and not good enough to those too young to remember the old and too ignorant of Il2 history to have faith about it." – Not Thomas Sowell

[lighthaze]

I like CoD. I really do like it. But as playing at the moment is a bit frustrating (not only due to performance issues, but also due to the relatively unstable multiplayer and the virtually non-existant quick missions) I took the chance to finally buy RoF. Never had the chance before as my system is relatively new (half a year). Furthermore I got my TrackIR just last week and I really didnt want to play RoF without it.

Well, as I said. I really do and want to like CoD but the comparison to RoF ist just hurtful. I do know that Rise of flight hat its problems in the beginning but at least it feels like a game. I am pretty sure that the programmers of CoD had a reason for using these windows popups and stuff but it just feel cheap in a way. RoFs UI is just so much more intuitve and well designed it's almost unbearable. Not to mention the existance of a good quick mission editior, tutorials and so forth.

For example: When I first heard of the possibility to configure the ammo belts in CoD I imagined some nice designed menu where you drag and drop beautiful drawed bullets in a cool animated ammo belt. What did we get? A simple, boring menu. The funny thing is, even the functional menu of the former Il2 games are so much superior to what we have now. I just don't get it.

I really am quite sure that CoD is a diamond in the rought but it just doesn't feel like a game at the moment. It's more a cluster of ugly windows and menus which (admittedly) lead to a great simulation with a great damage model and flying immersion. I have bought CoD and hope that this investment will pay off eventually but I also think that there is no use in persuading myself that the game is great when it clearly is not. At least at the moment and in its current state.