Realism or accessibility, what decision should be made?

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by III/JG11_Simmox

the real question is who's realism?

its quite clear by the spit/hurri carby changes threads that not everyone agree's on the experts changes to FM

Originally Posted by luthier

AIRCRAFT

* Completely removed overload assessment from carburetters. Rolls-Royce engines will now cut if overload is negative, and will not cut if it is positive. (old values were sneezing at .5G, and cut-out at .25 which we felt were dead on, but this apparently confused most of the players)

* Replaced every tachometer in every British and Italian plane with an electrical type, since some people find needle movement on the mechanical type not what they expected.

oh well

[snwkill]

For me I really couldn't tell the difference between the two patches... Take it from a newbie to old A/C sims, the type of person that would rather play an arcade fighter, probably isn't looking at the instrument panel closely enough to notice that it is bouncing around. For me the biggest annoyance is the muscle it takes on the rudder just to get her off the grass. And the compass behind the flight stick, which will be solved when my track-IR gets here.

[SEE]

It's important to distinguish 'Realism' from 'accuracy' in terms of the modelling. The Tacho may be 'realistic' in that it moves but is it 'accurate' in the displacement and oscillatory motion originally modelled? I don't know but a few better informed people have commented that it was overmodelled - 'realistic' in that it moved but not 'accurate' in how it moved.

Fortunately, we have far better information and evidence regards Neg G and I would expect this to be modelled accurately as Neg G modelling has far more impact than an erratic tacho needle'.

[fruitbat]

I think we should go all the way.

the game should ship with a 45, and when you get shot down, you have to shoot yourself in the head.

[flyingblind]

It has to be realistic. I agree realistic dosen't always mean harder but if something was hard in real life then it shouldn't be removed just to make the sim easier to play. If neccessary or possible provide an easier setting as an option. I suppose this is the one really good thing about Steam. The developers can continually tune and upgrade the code and provide frequent updates and patches that are automatically downloaded to the users. What you have today can always be improved tomorrow - so don't panic.

[IvanK]

As posted elsewhere The changelog text referring to "some users" etc was an unfortunate use of words (maybe a language thing). This lead to those silly total BS "they are dumbing the game down for a few" statements.

Two Issues seem to have incited this hysteria the -Ve G cut out tweak and the RPM needle bounce. Again poor wording there. The needle bounce or lack therof is now more accurate than it was before. 2 Videos videos have been posted (1 in a Hudson and a one in Lancaster) that clearly show what a real British Tacho looks like and the fact that it doesn't bounce all over the place. There is a little hunting (+-10RPM) but no wild undamped phougoids we were originally seeing.

With respect the -Ve G cut out (interesting name isnt it ? even all the documentation refers to it as Negative G cut out not Reduced G Cutout sorry for that digression). The initial effect was plain and simply way to sensitive. We know this from practical piloting experience and direct statements from at least 2 current Spitfire and Hurricane pilots who fly early generation carby aircraft (AVT32 Carbys I think). The numbers initially used by the Sim to trigger the onset looked right from the very skimpy technical documentation available on the issue. However in practice in the Sim it was just too sensitive(Again refer to the Hurricane pilots statement). The initial attempt going to 0G has gone too far the other way. So tweaking I am sure will continue to get a response that replicates as best as is possible the real world effect inside the Sim environment.

The Devs aim is to always strive for the best level of accuracy possible using the best set of references and experience they can draw from.

Originally Posted by IvanK

With respect the -Ve G cut out (interesting name isnt it ? even all the documentation refers to it as Negative G cut out not Reduced G Cutout sorry for that digression). The initial effect was plain and simply way to sensitive. We know this from practical piloting experience and direct statements from at least 2 current Spitfire and Hurricane pilots who fly early generation carby aircraft (AVT32 Carbys I think). The numbers initially used by the Sim to trigger the onset looked right from the very skimpy technical documentation available on the issue. However in practice in the Sim it was just too sensitive(Again refer to the Hurricane pilots statement). The initial attempt going to 0G has gone too far the other way. So tweaking I am sure will continue to get a response that replicates as best as is possible the real world effect inside the Sim environment.

The Devs aim is to always strive for the best level of accuracy possible using the best set of references and experience they can draw from.

Good to hear that the current status on the neg-g thing is not final. Me still thinks the former behaviour just needed a bit of inertia and it would have been fine. I do miss the smoke coming from the Merlin when it is pushed a bit.

About the needle thing I must admit I don't have any data supporting any postion. I though liked the old ways better as it made me feel inside a vibrating cockpit and sitting behind a huge power machine. I miss that now very deerly.

[41Sqn_Banks]

Originally Posted by IvanK

We know this from practical piloting experience and direct statements from at least 2 current Spitfire and Hurricane pilots who fly early generation carby aircraft (AVT32 Carbys I think).

AP 1590B Merlin II and III Aero-Engines says:

Carburettor ... S.V. type Merlin A.V.T.32, duplex, double entry

[IvanK]

Thanks Banks ... that AP available on the net somewhere ?

[41Sqn_Banks]

I don't think it's available in the net. Check PM.