droids are NOT overpowered:-)

[Fatt_Shade]

Originally Posted by impy

On the lighter note, I started this laid back playthrough aiming for high level intellect mage, no kiting, no scanner.
So far in Verona, and I cannot believe my luck
Debir - novice dress
Scarlet - skull of pain
Bolo - novice staff
Rusty - novice dress 2, battlemage helmet, hand of necropolis
Verona - novice staff 2, usurer's ring, ring of mind, ancient amulet, 2 x bronze ring.
That's extra 38 intellect so far guaranteed.
find savegame at level 1 attached, if anyone is looking for playing int. oriented mage

Nice int items, and thx for save file but why o why pink pet dragon and skipped training ground ?
For high int mage, green dragon would be better, and those fights can get you to firemage medal faster and some chests could get something even better, i have once found mithrill shield in second chest in battle. And free +1 att/def items are better then no item at all until get/find some better ones. Also you get free lvl after training and runes to get you started.
Dont get me wrong, thx for save and sharing good luck with int mage build (i personally have never seen 2 novice dresses in game, 2 princess yes but never novices). But you made some weird choices on start my man

[impy]

sorry man, my mistake. I just picked one of saves at level1 without checking it. I remember, since I did not want to spoil the fun and use scanner, that I just went through initial islands to see if there is trap scroll before I started game properly. I am aware of the benefits of the training

i stand by decision of picking the +5mana dragon. To start with, let's agree that bonuses provided by any pet dragon are hardly significant. When picking a pet dragon, you can either increase your strengths (mage = int & mana), improve your weaknesses (mage = rage, def, att) or go for specific build requirements ( +crit for high crit shooters army, +init to dragons for dragons army.) If you look at my current game screenshoot, you can see that with a bit of calculations I can get to 77int, possibly more, so knowing this, +1int from pet dragon does not make much difference. However, problem with mage after casting 3-4 of 40+mana spells is lack of mana. Since "value" of mana for mage is much higher than for any other character, meaning damage he can do per 1 mana, I went for +mana. Also, +5mana helps at the beginning when you try to utilize first ten rounds to work on medals..

[Fatt_Shade]

Apology not excepted. Now try some other games until you get same items as here, and this time do training, and pick green dragon cub. Just joking
That +1 int can make huge difference trust me. I managed to make 83 int mage last time, with 2 gloves of destroyer and that 1 int would give me +20% on spells, but there was no chance to get it anywhere in all game Black hole was somewhere 12-20K dmg, so i think with that +1 int can go up to 13-21K.
I just tryed new game to see training bonus and got normal +1 att/def items as every time but got 1 more from first battle - chieftains belt for +1 def/+150 leadership. What a luck, and then i go finish second battle, all in all i got 6 chests, 7 fire arrow for medals, +1att/+2def/+150 leadership which for mage is imba on 2 lvl. Then i go check first lvl in Tower of eventus and find there Fear and Trap spells
So training can be boring and called noob at start of every game but can give some sweet bonuses
I never use KBscaner and since impossible game for mage can be pretty tough, i use at least training and get couple of easy steps to get me started.

On my/ckdamascus conversation about Paladin hero/solo paladin unit 14 battles game any thoughts ?

[impy]

yes, 20% bonus to spell damage looks good, obviously you mean a breakpoint reached at multiply of 7 of intellect. Still it is 20% to base damage,not overall damage. It is about personal feeling I guess, i am not looking for absolute divine damage with no mana after few rounds, but more balanced mana/int ratio. I happily swap archmage staff for elkonium or get portrait of queen of ice instead of +5int ring. It depends on situation on battlefield; sometimes you need to dish out max damage quickly, sometimes wear down the enemy with demon portals, flame arrows, fear etc, which cost lots of mana over time. If you want really nerve wracking experience try my earlier challenge - how far can you get in the game with single black dragon. I played it in Armored Princess days and killed everything in the game except Baal & Ktahu. Speaking of witch, I might try it myself, since now the game has been made harder by overpowered orcs. There is a cap on astral res - chaos helm + ghost armor + crystal ball =75%. Hmm, if you get very lucky you might get 2 chaos crowns in the game (is it possible?) for extra 10% via gloves of destroyer.

paladins. It is difficult to pass a definite judgment. You see, droids have crappy defence + magic res, but infinite repair which overcomes everything when played properly. Eviln brings back insane numbers of black knights as long as you have mana management organized, but with paladins.. I am worried about their high leadership req. and resurrection skill being to weak, and typical warrior char. mana problems...

[Fatt_Shade]

Your right i was thinking 7 multipyer, since somewhere on forum i saw screenshot of 24K black hole and i just wandered how d hell they managed it.
Solo 1 BD hm . . . doable i think. I have some old save with ghost armor, leather dress, chaos crown and 3lvl medal, and had 82% astral ressistance. But why 1 Bd ? No beneficial spell - cant get medal for ressistances - lower overall available astral ress. Only way to heal him is Gizmo as i can tell. Cant cast Illusion so only way to kill units is to pick places to hit weak unit and some stronger behind it, and w8 for Rain of fire to reset. It`s hard challenge i agree, but prety boring.
Wouldnt 1 Red dragon be better, since you want to test overpowered orcs, just dont use divine armor. Get 3lvl medal for resistances, for healing use only gizmo (when you get it), and for mana regen there`s Magic spring. To match BD magic ress there`s always magic diploma/mage`s cape for 25%/30% so it will be almost the same.
Solo 1 dragon is tough for sure. but it`s also so monotonous I`we read here for EGD inisibility and heavy use illusion spell, for RD stone skin and also illusion, for BD never tried but i guess it`s like i mentioned above fly around , kill enemy with spells and rain of fire.

For paladin hero/paladin unit it would be tricky for sure. But for Paladin class, your Prayer ability and ressurection would be stronger 30%. And basic 30% physical/magic ress and 10% fire, and morale is easily on +2. As you said infinite repair is life saver for droids, and for blackies imba evlin is in no way connected to int of hero, you get 30% revived units no matter do you have 1 or 80 int points it`s such overpowered spell. So lets even things up a bit : 18 fights for solo paladin run (4 more since droid run you skiped 3 fights to get imba Axe of ice 3lvl), So fights could be : Battle academy (to get Holy armor skill), Tomas Torkve (for sword obviously since both droids and blackies have free -leadership% item available), Driller (for his namesake weapon and to fix difference in droids no retaliation bonus from axe) and last fight by your choice, but no Frog or Spider (since they give to high exp boost). This fights would help out with Purifier medal. I would try this myself, but my kiting skills are pretty low

[ckdamascus]

Originally Posted by Fatt_Shade

Your right i was thinking 7 multipyer, since somewhere on forum i saw screenshot of 24K black hole and i just wandered how d hell they managed it.
Solo 1 BD hm . . . doable i think. I have some old save with ghost armor, leather dress, chaos crown and 3lvl medal, and had 82% astral ressistance. But why 1 Bd ? No beneficial spell - cant get medal for ressistances - lower overall available astralress. Only way to heal him is Gizmo as i can tell. Cant cast Illusion so only way to kill units is to pick places to hit waek unit and some stronger behind it, and w8 for Rain of fire to reset. It hard chalange i agree, but preety boring.
Wouldnt 1 Red dragon be better, since you want to test overpowered orcs, just dont use divine armor. Get 3lvl medal for resistances, for healing use only gizmo (when you get it), and for mana regen theres Magic spring. To match BD magic ress there`s alwaus magic diploma/mage`s cape for 25%/30% so it will be almost same.
Solo 1 dragon is tough for sure. but it`s also so monotonus I`we read here for EGD inisibility and heavy use illusion spell, for RD stone skin and also ilusion, for BD never tryed but i guess it`s like i mentioned above fly around , kill enemy with spells and rain of fire.

For paladin hero/paladin unit it would be tricy for sure. But for Paladin class, your Prayer ability and ressurection would be stronger 30%. And basic 30% physical/magic ress and 10% fire, and morale is easily on +2. As you said infinite repair is life saver for droids, and for blackies imba evlin is in no way connected to int of hero, you get 30% revived units no matter do you have 1 or 80 int points it`s such overpowered spell. So lets even things up a bit : 18 fights for solo paladin run (4 more since droid run you skiped 3 fights to get imba Axe of ice 3lvl), So fights could be : Battle academy (to get Holy armor skill), Tomas Torkve (for sword obviously since both droids and blackies have -leadership% item available), Driller (for his namesake weapon and to fix diference in droids no retaliation bonus from axe) and last fight by your chosing, but no Frog or Spider (since they give to high exp boost). This fights would help out with Purifier medal. I would try this but my kiting skills are prety low

It was probably me, because I've done like 28K damage with it at least once.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...t=16974&page=6

However, note, the spell book claims the maximum damage is only 18.6K, but I am able to EASILY deal far greater than this.

We never did find out WHY this is the case though. As you can see, I did all that mayhem with "merely" 79 intellect.

[Fatt_Shade]

Damn bugs and errors
The more i try to figure some neat combos and tactics, the more problems i find in this game.
Totaly buged Onslaught skill as you said. Archer ability`s also badly optimized (beholders regular and evil ones count as archer and can get and quick draw bonus/precision spell, but no bonus from archer items). Some units arent counted in any category : spiders cant get morale in any consivable way, troll also (his att is great, but 9% crit is laughable), only 1 unit gets bonus from unused runes, many spells not related to int walue (stone skin, evlin, helplesness . . .), and some in very weird way (resurrection , with 83 int only 4500 hp worth), on other hand dmging spells are so overpowered Black hole, Death satar, Geyser . . . and all mass dmg spells, humanoid class is through the roof with description wood/lake fairies get counterstrike from warriors skill, and troll/ogre/chieftain also how d f..k are those units in same category ? And as you already know black knight/vampires dont get that same bonus
So many problems in this game, so i`ll only ask you this : WHY am i still playing it ?

[impy]

Originally Posted by Fatt_Shade

Your right i was thinking 7 multipyer, since somewhere on forum i saw screenshot of 24K black hole and i just wandered how d hell they managed it.
Solo 1 BD hm . . . doable i think. I have some old save with ghost armor, leather dress, chaos crown and 3lvl medal, and had 82% astral ressistance. But why 1 Bd ? No beneficial spell - cant get medal for ressistances - lower overall available astral ress. Only way to heal him is Gizmo as i can tell. Cant cast Illusion so only way to kill units is to pick places to hit weak unit and some stronger behind it, and w8 for Rain of fire to reset. It`s hard challenge i agree, but prety boring.
Wouldnt 1 Red dragon be better, since you want to test overpowered orcs, just dont use divine armor. Get 3lvl medal for resistances, for healing use only gizmo (when you get it), and for mana regen there`s Magic spring. To match BD magic ress there`s always magic diploma/mage`s cape for 25%/30% so it will be almost the same.
Solo 1 dragon is tough for sure. but it`s also so monotonous I`we read here for EGD inisibility and heavy use illusion spell, for RD stone skin and also illusion, for BD never tried but i guess it`s like i mentioned above fly around , kill enemy with spells and rain of fire.

For paladin hero/paladin unit it would be tricky for sure. But for Paladin class, your Prayer ability and ressurection would be stronger 30%. And basic 30% physical/magic ress and 10% fire, and morale is easily on +2. As you said infinite repair is life saver for droids, and for blackies imba evlin is in no way connected to int of hero, you get 30% revived units no matter do you have 1 or 80 int points it`s such overpowered spell. So lets even things up a bit : 18 fights for solo paladin run (4 more since droid run you skiped 3 fights to get imba Axe of ice 3lvl), So fights could be : Battle academy (to get Holy armor skill), Tomas Torkve (for sword obviously since both droids and blackies have free -leadership% item available), Driller (for his namesake weapon and to fix difference in droids no retaliation bonus from axe) and last fight by your choice, but no Frog or Spider (since they give to high exp boost). This fights would help out with Purifier medal. I would try this myself, but my kiting skills are pretty low

No news about vampires playthrough as of yet, unfortunately my life is not only about beer, games, anymore
are there any other candidates for 14 fights plathrough? I can only think of bone dragon +eviln or although unlikely - trolls?
Well, if you find single BD game a bit boring, fair enough. It is not Remember, back in KBAP days there was no gizmo, so you had your 1000hp and that's it. Also just flying around casting flame arrow or similar will not do the job. There can be massive phys. damage dealers mind immune - skeleton archers, droids, cyclops, brontors etc, which you have to fool somehow. Some battlefields are very small - reha guardians, frog, driller...and when centre of battlefield is not blocked even melee walkers with speed 3+ are a problem. Plus of course fast flyers - bone dragons, griffins etc. You can get resistance medal with single BD. Skip debir & scarlet, come back when you have maxed higher magic, then 1st round some summon and keep slapping stone skin on it for 10 rounds, shouldn't take long. I'm hoping to get some time off during easter and do single BD game without gizmo.

[Fatt_Shade]

I agree with you, life shouldnt be about beer and games, it should be only about beer
I`ll try 14 fight playthrough, but not promising anything with my kiting skills (my worst map is Verona, after that is usually much easier).
It would be much easier if not that stupid counterstrike/undead uncompatibility (i know in 14 fight end game no counterstrike, but it`s frustrating bug/error). Is 38 quests max for 14 fight end game ? You did 35 with droids, and 38 with blackies, since i never did 93 quests i`m only asking if i try 14 fights end should i end on 38 quest mark.
Now i`m off to bed, working first shift today