Fixing Roll

[Space Communist]

Originally Posted by b101uk

It works 100% for me at stopping the right wing dropping.

Also certainly on the hurricane by default the rudder is trimmed slightly to the right ergo educing some RH role.

You do know you don’t need ailerons and can fly with the other 2 axis.

Generally if you trim the rudder enough to completely counter-act torque you will end up side-slipping through the air. In real life the pilots wouldn't have noticed it as much as we do since there isn't nearly as much of a centering force on the stick. That is to say, the amount of left stick you would have to give it to counteract the torque wouldn't feel much different than holding the stick dead center. After holding it for a long time that would just seem like center to you. At least, this has been my experience since removing the centering spring on my stick.

[jimbop]

Originally Posted by Space Communist

Generally if you trim the rudder enough to completely counter-act torque you will end up side-slipping through the air. In real life the pilots wouldn't have noticed it as much as we do since there isn't nearly as much of a centering force on the stick. That is to say, the amount of left stick you would have to give it to counteract the torque wouldn't feel much different than holding the stick dead center. After holding it for a long time that would just seem like center to you. At least, this has been my experience since removing the centering spring on my stick.

Cable ties on your joystick spring helps wonders. Great on my x52 pro!

[Doc_uk]

Yea it might well do.
But, most flight sims of today, have a option for this, its called easyflight control
it just takes away most of the hard work

[jimbop]

Originally Posted by Doc_uk

Yea it might well do.
But, most flight sims of today, have a option for this, its called easyflight control
it just takes away most of the hard work

So you're talking about this happening when in an arcade-type mode? Surprising that it isn't level flight for that.

[Space Communist]

Originally Posted by jimbop

Cable ties on your joystick spring helps wonders. Great on my x52 pro!

Hah actually that's exactly what I came up with too (though I am just using an old Saitek Cyborg.) I have to keep my hand on the stick at all times now but it allows for much more precise and fine control.

[jimbop]

Originally Posted by Space Communist

Hah actually that's exactly what I came up with too (though I am just using an old Saitek Cyborg.) I have to keep my hand on the stick at all times now but it allows for much more precise and fine control.

Good to hear. It's surprising how much more control you get for the fine adjustments isn't it? Thanks to recoilfx here http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...t=19222&page=2 at post 20 for pointing me in the right direction.

[jimbop]

I've just re-read the entire thread and I am now more confused than before. Can someone just explain what is causing the Hurricane FM to roll clockwise? Please don't say torque because the prop spins clockwise.

If it is gyroscopic precession then how did WW2 pilots manage to trim their aircraft for hands-free straight and level flight as quoted in this thread. Or didn't they? If the answer is rudder trim then the FM is wrong since you can only eliminate roll by using excessive rudder trim which causes side-slipping.

In IL-2 1946 you could use Hurricane's elevator and rudder trim for straight and level flight, no roll. In CoD you can't (well I can't, anyway). Which is correct?

[Blackdog_kt]

I haven't flown a real Hurricane (of course), but i have a feeling that this is part of the new FMs and if there's a bug it probably lies in the fact that the effect doesn't get disabled in lower difficulty settings.

To be more precise, it's much easier and as such instinctive to keep a real aircraft from rolling, due to the fact that there's no centering force on the stick (apart from the airflow pressure transferring to the stick through the control linkages, something that depends on altitude and speed) and that a real stick has a much longer throw than what we have.

[onchas]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

I haven't flown a real Hurricane (of course), but i have a feeling that this is part of the new FMs and if there's a bug it probably lies in the fact that the effect doesn't get disabled in lower difficulty settings.

To be more precise, it's much easier and as such instinctive to keep a real aircraft from rolling, due to the fact that there's no centering force on the stick (apart from the airflow pressure transferring to the stick through the control linkages, something that depends on altitude and speed) and that a real stick has a much longer throw than what we have.

I find myself wishing I could "like" this post, facebook style.

[jimbop]

Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt

I haven't flown a real Hurricane (of course), but i have a feeling that this is part of the new FMs and if there's a bug it probably lies in the fact that the effect doesn't get disabled in lower difficulty settings.

To be more precise, it's much easier and as such instinctive to keep a real aircraft from rolling, due to the fact that there's no centering force on the stick (apart from the airflow pressure transferring to the stick through the control linkages, something that depends on altitude and speed) and that a real stick has a much longer throw than what we have.

Thanks, helpful. I didn't realise there was no real centering force. I sense another mod to my x52 pro is just around the corner!