More realistic machine gun tracers?

[choctaw111]

Originally Posted by ChrisDNT

"so in ANY camera shot you can see and will se the "laser" tracers, only the length depends on the camera settings (i.e. expo time and/or aperture) and lighting conditions. With naked eye you just see dots traveling towards the target."

EXACTLY

That's EXACTLY what I saw when firing tracers with a WWII design AA 20mm canon.

Sitting directly behind the barrel, sure.
Throughout my tenure in the Parachute Infantry (and then Mechanized), I was a SAW gunner, a 60 gunner and the 240 before I was a squad leader.
Anyway, the tracers from MY weapon appeared as dots but those from my soldiers on the flank or next to me appeared as streaks and turned into dots as they were further down range.

[meplay]

I think we should have a switch somewhere in the menu to turn them either 'Hollywood Mode' or 'realistic' so it can please every1

I personally think that yeah, they look real towards some vids (from a third person perspective...away from the vibration) that ive seen but they seem highly unrealistic in the game (especially the white Tracers) cos if your firing a weapon, they wont be perfectly straight in your eyes...as you will be vibrating with the weapon and lets face it, a war plane is a big weapon but not only that....it has a beast under the bonnet also!

I think the tracers in the old il2 look good (stock and not necessarily the same colour as old), so if they can the same effect it wil look nice to me...i just cant use them white tracers...too perfect

S!

[SQB]

Originally Posted by choctaw111

Sitting directly behind the barrel, sure.
Throughout my tenure in the Parachute Infantry (and then Mechanized), I was a SAW gunner, a 60 gunner and the 240 before I was a squad leader.
Anyway, the tracers from MY weapon appeared as dots but those from my soldiers on the flank or next to me appeared as streaks and turned into dots as they were further down range.

This man has it right!

Of course if you are looking down the iron-sight of a firing gun... well imagine looking down the longitude of a the tracer streak, you see a dot. It is only when you catch a tracer moving at an angle to you that you can see the streak.

[Plt Off JRB Meaker]

Study any WW2 aircraft gun footage and you'll see the tracers SMOKE to their target.

If you have played ROF(sorry to bring this up again)they've got this nailed,they're superb,and so very realistic.Surely 1C with all the wealth of expertese that they have can sort this out for us,can't they?

[Wolf_Rider]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz8QsBxcOMw

some do smoke, some don't it seems

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=km1hz...eature=related

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

some do smoke, some don't it seems

One thing is obvious though...It is clear , watching the guncams, that COD's tracers are way to " fat" , too "even" and too long.Some have also pointed out that they were too "fast" ? compared to what they saw in RL... And this has been the conclusions from "experts real military " in this forum since the first WIP were shown.
COD's tracers may be ballistically accurate, but not visually...

SAlute !

[Plt Off JRB Meaker]

Kalimba I totally agree,the tracrs are far too fat,step one would be too thin these out by half.

[Bryan21cag]

sure am glad to see this thread still alive and kicking

Yup agreed
we don't need squiggly lines like in old gun cam footage this is obviously from extreme vibration directly on the camera itself and that is not what the pilot would have seen.

But I believe the profile I.E. Thickness of the tracer round is just too big for the calibers used on some of the aircraft. Some of them look better then others

this is one of the things i really liked about a lot of the Tracers and round effects in IL2. I think the 50cal was the only one where the sound and the look just never seemed rite to me.

[winny]

Originally Posted by Plt Off JRB Meaker

Study any WW2 aircraft gun footage and you'll see the tracers SMOKE to their target.

RAF wise this is incorrect, they had smoke tracers. They smoked to the target but didn't produce a visible light streak. They also had smokless 'fire' tracer.

2 seperate rounds.

Look at this video, RAF procedure during BoB was not to mix ammo types in the same gun, so you see the smoke tracer (at least 3 guns) and the light tracer (1 Gun). Notice that the 'fire' tracer doesn't produce any smoke.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RC6lQyxzZBA

[bongodriver]

theres no smoke without fire......