Fiat G.50 performance...

[Rickusty]

That's true Babi. I too "complained" about the Italian fighters using radio comms. in another thread yesterday.
All radio comms in the It. fighters should be eliminated IMO.
It would be cool though to have pilot gestures in 3d animations

Mokkeri, yes, there were some differences in Italy too between the "real" operational characteristics and the "factory" (it's always FIAT damn it...) ones. It's hard to tell which one was right, in which condition the tests were carried on, the general conditions of that fighter in that moment, ite engine etc etc
But, even though we should consider the Finnish tests , we're still 35 km/h slower in the game.

But the problem is another one: it really looks like the FIAT A.74 engine isn't delivering its full power in the game. As I wrote in this thread, some of the instruments show different values comprared to what it "should be".
And the WEP mode isn't available.

The Fiat G.50 was certainly not a good machine. At the Italian fighter tender of 1938, it lost against the competing Macchi C.200.
The smart Italian RA HQ obviously decided instead to produce it nonetheless
I still have to read of ONE single Italian pilot who actually liked this aircraft. It seems almost everybody hated it or didn't consider it a good fighter plane.
I have an account written by a British wartime pilot who flew both a captured Macchi C.200 and a Fiat G.50, and it's unbelievable to read that the C.200 was one of the best plane he ever flew in all his lifetime, while he commented that the G.50 just wasn't "nothing special".

Yeah it was an ugly bird and didn't perform too well, but IMO something is wrong with its FM in our sim.


Cheers
Rick

[TomcatViP]

*Bump*

I try to fly the G50 online and it's really a poor performer. Now I know why the Moth had a Tiger in her name. For sure the 50 will fear the bit

Seriously is that a Fiat engine or a Vespa ?

On the good point, the Fiat is delightful to fly if you like pushing buttons, rods, managing the trims (functional ! ) ... and have a cte look at all those gauges (seems it lacks a valid indication of hydro pressure).

Frankly I wld like to see it more in the game. For those that likes the turn&burn at low alt, it cld be the perfect mount on the blue side.

I hope the devs wld have some spare resources to correct her (eng power mainly - my guess)

~S!

PS: if you have more success than me pls do share !

I support this as I do support an overhaul of the performance of all planes except the SpitIIa that is apparently the only plane that gets historic performance.

[Kodoss]

It's a FIAT engine!

Italian Pilots said of the A.80 that it had Mule-Power instead of Horse-Power.
The A.80 had 1000hp at 2100rpm at 4.100m whereas the A.74 only had 840hp at 2400rpm at 3800m.
Maybe luthiers team wanted to reproduce this "mule-power".

[TomcatViP]

Hi Kodoss,

I didn't know abt the mules but they must be fairly small or be of the type that you register only to get some Eu subventions

Frankly in game the G50 seems not to have much than 240/340. That's why I think it's more a Vespa74

PS : Just forgot to say that it's surprising that powering up on the ground the Fiat acceleration is fairly good. It's once the wheel are off the ground that you get the sluggish effect (is that 840@FWP )

[Rickusty]

Shameless bump...

About the power. The G.50 is currently lacking the "WEP" emergency power , called the "+100" (it was +100 mmHg).
Power could reach a max of 960 Hp in emergency mode. Not too bad.
Manifold pressure could go up to a max. of 890mmHg.
In the game, you can't reach this pressure at all, in whatever conditions.

There is no "WEP" switch. If you can see on the left part of the instrument panel, there was a level with "+100" inscribed on it, which is missing in the model.

I wrote the problem on the first page of this thread.
I hope they'll try to correct this problem.
It really looks like the plane is missing about 200hp.

Cheers
Rick

[addman]

Originally Posted by Rickusty

Shameless bump...

About the power. The G.50 is currently lacking the "WEP" emergency power , called the "+100" (it was +100 mmHg).
Power could reach a max of 960 Hp in emergency mode. Not too bad.
Manifold pressure could go up to a max. of 890mmHg.
In the game, you can't reach this pressure at all, in whatever conditions.

There is no "WEP" switch. If you can see on the left part of the instrument panel, there was a level with "+100" inscribed on it, which is missing in the model.

I wrote the problem on the first page of this thread.
I hope they'll try to correct this problem.
It really looks like the plane is missing about 200hp.

Cheers
Rick

From the Q&A of 23rd of December:

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=28633

8. Will the performances of the poor G.50 be upgraded to be closer to the real historical values? The G.50 maximum speed today is ~350 kmh at sea level against 407 kmh found in books and online references. The G.50 ceiling in game is some 5000 m, against 10500 m found in various sources.

Quote:
"Yes, it’s one of the things the new FM programmer will work on."