Community FM Efford

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by 6S.Manu

The community has always been divided since the release of the game because of the way the virtual pilots want to play IL2. There are the lovers of simulation, the sunday pilots and so on.

So there are different IL2 communities (and there will be regardin CloD).

If the one where you fly is a serious one then there is no fear of cheating since it's difficult to find a guy having fun in this way. These guys only go to fly in servers with pilots of their kind. They don't cheat, the enemy doesn't cheat.

An example is the SEOW community: the squadrons who fly these type of campaign know each other... if there is a cheater it will be the squadron itself who'll ban him.

Infact it's almost a closed campaign and you have to be invited to fly. The average age of the pilots is very high, probably 30-35 years and the respect between the pilots is the highest.

If instead you are used to fly alone in a server full of free pilots (I mean they fly alone, in no squadron) then there is more chances to find a cheater.

It's all to you. Have you ever thought to enter in a squadron?

PS: avoiding modded IL2 you are really losing a wonderful aspect of IL2. A beautiful (graphics and sounds), realistic (you know what I mean, it's still a videogame), historic simulator.

I am in 100% agreement with 6S.Manu.

Those who left il2 when modding appeared are the guys that lost out most in some respects.

For sure, when it first happened online was a mess, and everything was unsure, but what has transpired since has been a revolution imo.

I fly online with a squad i belong too 95% of the time, and the the idea that someone would cheat is just a non entity.

I have never personally EVER seen someone cheating, just doesn't happen in my circle, and i fly with some people that most of you that frequent the variety of il2 forums would know by name.

Thanks to Manu, i now have the chance to participate on a fantastic online SEOW, simply because he flew against/with another member of my squad, and they respect each other.

Il2, and flightsims in general are not like most other games, they're to hard or complex for most casual gamers particularly those who are younger, to play on servers that are on harder settings you have to immerse yourself with knowledge and it just doesn't attract the cheats that all the naysayers heralded.

Without doubt, the modding of il2 resulted in a great many players from playing online anymore.

Unfortunately, on nothing more than there own preconceived fears, as opposed to actual reality, more fool them.

Il2 1946 has never been as good as what it is now, with HSFX5, and the new UP coming out.

While Clod is all potential, these deliver.

I want Clod to be a success, and am fairly sure it will be, but at the moment, in its currant state, its not fit for purpose, there just to many fundamental bugs.

Planes can't even fly at the heights most of the Bob took place, because something is fucked with the mixture control.

I will just keep flying with my squad, on HSFX or UP, until Clod becomes anywhere near as good, and yet i think it will massively surpass it oneday, but its got a hell of a way to go yet.

my two cents.

[csThor]

Amusing to see the pink-tinted glasses some of you're wearing WRT the mods. To me all they managed was to fracture the community even more, apart from providing a stage for those people who strive for some internet fame and virtual shoulder clapping, and introduce the almost-religious flamefests and the mutual accusations of FM-heresy. As such they followed the trend I've seen in previous sims - modding is to the larger degree not about enhancing the gameplay value but about receiving internet adulation. Thanks, I pass ...

Originally Posted by csThor

Amusing to see the pink-tinted glasses some of you're wearing WRT the mods. To me all they managed was to fracture the community even more, apart from providing a stage for those people who strive for some internet fame and virtual shoulder clapping, and introduce the almost-religious flamefests and the mutual accusations of FM-heresy. As such they followed the trend I've seen in previous sims - modding is to the larger degree not about enhancing the gameplay value but about receiving internet adulation. Thanks, I pass ...

+1

[6S.Manu]

@ fruitbat
Hi mate, the "Big Week" campaign will start when the new SEOW release is available. There is no certain date on that, but must be soon.
It will be flown at 21:30 CET. Day of week must still be chosen, might be Tuesday or Thursday; maybe we can have more than a mission a week (if number of players exceeds number of available slots, that should be 70), in this case we might fly on Sunday too.

The dedicated bomber pilots of every virtual squads will fly in the Red side.

@ Thor/Stormcrow
I really don't understand the problem about dividing the community. So it seems a bad thing also to have different difficulty settings because it fractures the community.

I'll tell you the last time me and some of my squadmates have fled in a famous public server (the one on the PTO) we did only a sortie: during that flight we saw people stalling on the ground, people ramming each other and a guy flamed by the gunner of a Val (!!!)

Sorry but I have not fun to fly in that way. Why should I enjoy to enter in a furball at 50m? This is supposed to be a WW2 simulator and I like to fly with guys using the right way to fly warbirds (above all they follow the first rule: "watch for your virtual life").

The stock was lacking many things until the game was hacked. Only then IL2 did a great jump ahead thanks to modders and TD.

Realistic bombing (not 100% realistic, but not 10% like it was before), Fw190s with the right gunsight (both the position and the Revi model in the early ones), 6DoF (!!!!), new sounds (I can't wait for new CloD's one) and one of the more important for me, the absence of the "engine radar" (I asked the Dev team about this feature in Clod something like a dozen of times but I've never received a answer).

Sure there are planes made by modders that are jokes (great models but xwing FMs) but there are great one too; some of my teammates are flying also in the FTV and they are created from paper the italian PAN mb339, with ultra realistic flight characteristics... they are developing it since more than a year with the assistance of guys working inside the real PAN).
They have every day a new admission request from guys who DON'T fly IL2 and don't care about WW2 but they buy the game only to fly with the PAN.

Anyway if in this board sometimes I act like a promoter it's because I know there are guys out there who would like to fly the way I do but they don't know where they can fly (if they are like me they look only at the 5% of the HL servers). Some teammates of mine have gone away years ago but they are returning.

So it's not like you think: there is still a big community, only this is "out" from HL.
They manage coops or online campaigns but don't come here to promote this or in the HL chat.

To finish this argument (sorry admin, thank to your patience) I've never ever found a cheater on this game. Your is only a phobia: I repeat that you are losing a great thing. Do yourself a favor: try HSFX or UP at least one time, have an offline fly and give me your feedbacks.

BTW: the majority of the pilots in this community have bought CloD... they have faith in Oleg and Ilya (but not a blatanty religious one as some guys here...) and will continue to support them IF they give them the tools to fly the game in the way all agree to do.

This is my last one.

[csThor]

It's a question of philosophy. I do not credit "the community" with enough maturity to be given any tool to modify the core engine or something as vital as FM/DM simply for the fact that too many people think they're god's gift to the flight simmers. I simply don't want to see that certain people are given power to influence anything, not when I consider them excessively biased WRT certain issues.

I very much like a level playground ... which is also why I am all for 3rd Party Development as long as it is done in conjunction with the developer. Anything else is in my opinion simply a way for some to strive for internet fame, regardless of the cost to the community as a whole.

[TomcatViP]

Originally Posted by csThor

It's a question of philosophy. I do not credit "the community" with enough maturity to be given any tool to modify the core engine or something as vital as FM/DM simply for the fact that too many people think they're god's gift to the flight simmers. I simply don't want to see that certain people are given power to influence anything, not when I consider them excessively biased WRT certain issues.

I very much like a level playground ... which is also why I am all for 3rd Party Development as long as it is done in conjunction with the developer. Anything else is in my opinion simply a way for some to strive for internet fame, regardless of the cost to the community as a whole.

I totally agree with you. And I am shoulder clapping you heavily

Sadly Il2's Mod experience as shown that today devs hve now to come out in days light and fight to protect their baby. What a waste of time induced by those who claims them self as disinterested helper/savers...

[Sternjaeger II]

I completely agree with csThor.

The main issue here is where reality stands. FM discussions are a very very difficult field, simply because sometimes you have people shouting at each other or throwing charts of dubious nature, and they probably don't even fly with the same controls' sensitivity.

I don't mean to be an elitist, but you shouldn't even get close to talk on what a flight model should be like if you never put your arse on a plane and piloted it, and even in that case there are so many things to keep into account (limitations of the sim, unrealistic behaviour of AI etc..)

As things are now I still think that the AI is way too jolly in its manouvres and reactions: the reality is that dogfights a la WW1 were not standard, in many cases it was all sorted in a single BnZ and pilots never knew what bounced them.. what we see here instead is the Red Arrows on Red Bulls making the craziest evasive manouvres or turning their planes into Shuttles and legging it..

But back to the original topic, no, I don't think "the community" has the required skills or experience to give an 100% reliable feedback on "what things should be like".

[Eklund89]

OT: I am really interested in these more serious online wars. I am a serious flyer and im interested to join some european "team"/clan/whatever. PM me for another serious player.

[Tiger27]

Originally Posted by csThor

Amusing to see the pink-tinted glasses some of you're wearing WRT the mods. To me all they managed was to fracture the community even more, apart from providing a stage for those people who strive for some internet fame and virtual shoulder clapping, and introduce the almost-religious flamefests and the mutual accusations of FM-heresy. As such they followed the trend I've seen in previous sims - modding is to the larger degree not about enhancing the gameplay value but about receiving internet adulation. Thanks, I pass ...

Have to agree, post mods every time I thought I would jump back into IL2 I would find i had the wrong version of this or that mod, gave up in the end.

Of course this is not the same thing as what the Daidalos team have done, those patches/updates are the best way to do it, imo.

[DC338]

Mods online will get you banned at least from what luthier has stated.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=21362