Let us give thanks

[Avala]

This is actually a simulation, not simulator. I also say "Thanks", but the fact and reality is that this is not finished product, and as such, we the end users shouldn't do the optimizations ourselves with already paid "finished" product.

In any case, saying "thanks" for something that you have paid, and what doesn't do the job for which you have paid it, is pure nonsense.

Imagine that you have bought car and paid a full price, but you have to mount engine in it by yourself.

Sane attitude would be "OK, you didn't get the time to finish it, I understand that, but I gave you the money, so hurry, and give me my finished and polished product"

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by Avala

This is actually a simulation, not simulator. I also say "Thanks", but
Imagine that you have bought car and paid a full price, but you have to mount engine in it by yourself.

I gotta say, that car analogy a lot of you users seem to bring up is by far the stupidest I`ve heard in a while. If you can`t think up a better one I suggest you take the game back right now because it is too hard for your weak minds to comprehend any of it.

[Scarecrow]

Fanboy here! IL2 FB and expansions outlived two operating systems and every other game I ever bought. I hope the release will provide the devs with enough funds to continue making first class sims. I have faith that if the nay sayers don't crush this project we'll see active IL2 servers well into the next decade of this century.

[Raggz]

Originally Posted by carguy_

I gotta say, that car analogy a lot of you users seem to bring up is by far the stupidest I`ve heard in a while. If you can`t think up a better one I suggest you take the game back right now because it is too hard for your weak minds to comprehend any of it.

+1... nuff said!!!

[Furio]

Originally Posted by carguy_

I gotta say, that car analogy a lot of you users seem to bring up is by far the stupidest I`ve heard in a while.

I agree, perhaps with a less harsh wording, but the kit car analogy is, in my opinion, no less misleading.

We are not supposed to build any kit, but just to have a little patience and common sense. Maddox Games is a company that demonstrated its ability to solve problems, and to give sustained support to their sims through the years, with continuous expansions and improvements that keep today Il2 still enjoyable. Such a good reputation deserves to be respected, and this continuous talking of failures shows a lack of knowledge about Maddox Games history, in the better case. In the worst case, it’s an unbearable lack of respect.

Consider that I’m in the worst situation. At first CoD run reasonably, enough to show me its intrinsic qualities, but now, after first patch, it refuses to start. However, in the light of Maddox games history and reputation, I’m reasonably confident a solution will come.

As fort the thanks, I believe they’re deserved, but for another reason: a flight sim with that realism, made for pc and not for consoles, is something than no other on Earth has done. It required a lot of talent, dedication and hard work than will never be fully paid by the most optimistic commercial success. We should always keep this in our mind: big money is in consoles and shooters, not in flight sims for pc. In other words, in the long run we’ll have much more than we paid for.

[Scarecrow]

Originally Posted by Furio

Consider that I’m in the worst situation. At first CoD run reasonably, enough to show me its intrinsic qualities, but now, after first patch, it refuses to start. However, in the light of Maddox games history and reputation, I’m reasonably confident a solution will come.

Do you have AVG? The patched rendobj.dll has a different checksum to the pre-patch one so needs to be added to the PuP exception list again. Hope this helps.

[Furio]

Originally Posted by Scarecrow

Do you have AVG? The patched rendobj.dll has a different checksum to the pre-patch one so needs to be added to the PuP exception list again. Hope this helps.

Thank you, Scarecrow. Is the AVG you’re talking about an antivirus-firewall? In that case the answer is: no, I have Norton. The rest of your advice is perhaps a little too technical for me, but thank you very much nonetheless!

[Fuchs]

Originally Posted by Avala

This is actually a simulation, not simulator. I also say "Thanks", but the fact and reality is that this is not finished product, and as such, we the end users shouldn't do the optimizations ourselves with already paid "finished" product.

In any case, saying "thanks" for something that you have paid, and what doesn't do the job for which you have paid it, is pure nonsense.

Imagine that you have bought car and paid a full price, but you have to mount engine in it by yourself.

Sane attitude would be "OK, you didn't get the time to finish it, I understand that, but I gave you the money, so hurry, and give me my finished and polished product"

+1

thanks to sell me an unfinished, unplayable simulator like as an finished product...

[Triggaaar]

Originally Posted by Avala

the fact and reality is that this is not finished product, and as such, we the end users shouldn't do the optimizations ourselves with already paid "finished" product.

When you're at the cutting edge of a simulator like this things are not so easy.

In any case, saying "thanks" for something that you have paid, and what doesn't do the job for which you have paid it, is pure nonsense.

Imagine that you have bought car and paid a full price, but you have to mount engine in it by yourself.

If there was a new revolutionairy car that was better than anything else ever made (but the same price), I'd have no problem having to put the engine in. And likewise, if this game was the same as every other flight sim on the market I wouldn't bother with it if it wasn't all running smoothly. But it isn't. There are no other flight sims available today with the potential of this one (and it's not only potential, it runs pretty well for me now).

[ATAG_Dutch]

I agree with the OP, (I think).

Take a look at the screenshots. I never thought it would be possible to have this level of detail and realism (sky, sea, landscape and A/C) in what people refer to as a 'game'.
When you're 'flying', the feeling of 'being there' is incredible, even with the current frame rate/stutter issues. I've found that I now have to fly with the canopy open all the time for an even better view of the realism.
All it needs is some scratch n sniff cards with exhaust fumes, cordite and grass smells.

And people build kit cars all the time. They buy those too, don't they? And provide their own engine.

Thanks 1c Maddox!