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Old 04-08-2011, 09:48 AM
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the most appalling thing is that most people forget that "nazi" is an abbreviation in German language fashion for national-socialism, which actually meant a lot of good for the Germans. Germany saw years of incredible recover after the First World War and many remember the pre-war years as times of wealth and happiness.
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Old 04-08-2011, 11:40 AM
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the most appalling thing is that most people forget that "nazi" is an abbreviation in German language fashion for national-socialism, which actually meant a lot of good for the Germans. Germany saw years of incredible recover after the First World War and many remember the pre-war years as times of wealth and happiness.
Oh oh you really mean that? Want to take a guess how that recovery was financed? People from unions, boy scout organisations, other parties, and of course of jewish background from that time, certainly would not share your opinion, on it being a time of wealth and happiness. Also Nazi is the short form, for the abrevation NSDAP, or national socialist German workers party.
People who try and romatisize that time are not very popular in Germany.

Sorry as a German I find that view a bit offencive!
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Old 04-08-2011, 12:36 PM
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Oh oh you really mean that? Want to take a guess how that recovery was financed? People from unions, boy scout organisations, other parties, and of course of jewish background from that time, certainly would not share your opinion, on it being a time of wealth and happiness. Also Nazi is the short form, for the abrevation NSDAP, or national socialist German workers party.
People who try and romatisize that time are not very popular in Germany.

Sorry as a German I find that view a bit offencive!
ok then, you try and find a time in history when EVERYBODY was happy... after the destruction and economic damage of WW1 and the failure of the Weimar Republic, the resurrection of the German nation under national socialism was undeniable.. happy times for the nation maybe, but not for all..

I'm not trying and romanticize those years, I'm looking at it under a historic perspective.
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Old 04-08-2011, 12:05 PM
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the most appalling thing is that most people forget that "nazi" is an abbreviation in German language fashion for national-socialism
The most appalling thing? What, in a war where millions died, the most appalling thing is that people forget what nazi used to mean?
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The most appalling thing? What, in a war where millions died, the most appalling thing is that people forget what nazi used to mean?
I haven't said that. We were talking about regimes, democracies and their misconception. But thanks for the patronising nugget, it's good to know that we still have such enlightened characters in this forum..
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Old 04-08-2011, 12:42 PM
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You say all of this, but if Germany had won the war we'd all be sat here praising how Germany halted the spread of communism and rid the world of the jewish menace. History is written by the victors. Remember that.
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You say all of this, but if Germany had won the war we'd all be sat here praising how Germany halted the spread of communism and rid the world of the jewish menace. History is written by the victors. Remember that.
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Old 04-08-2011, 02:38 PM
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Well, I think hitler's goal was to make advantageous truce with uk, don't let usa interfere and pound ussr - the main enemy, without the danger of 2-front war. So operation sea lion was never meant to happen. imho. It was just a bogey for uk inteligence.
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Old 04-08-2011, 02:55 PM
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Well, I think hitler's goal was to make advantageous truce with uk, don't let usa interfere and pound ussr - the main enemy, without the danger of 2-front war. So operation sea lion was never meant to happen. imho. It was just a bogey for uk inteligence.
I think the invasion would have happened if Hitler thought it was possible. But I think he realized from the start that it was not possible.
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Old 04-08-2011, 03:50 PM
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the most appalling thing is that most people forget that "nazi" is an abbreviation in German language fashion for national-socialism, which actually meant a lot of good for the Germans.
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The most appalling thing? What, in a war where millions died, the most appalling thing is that people forget what nazi used to mean?
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I haven't said that. We were talking about regimes, democracies and their misconception. But thanks for the patronising nugget, it's good to know that we still have such enlightened characters in this forum..
So what is it that you were trying to say? You think within regimes, democracies and their misconception, that the most appalling thing is that people forget what nazi used to mean. I don't see how it's appalling at all. People use the term to describe the Germany that went to war killing millions, so what if it used to mean something different?
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