Fiat G.50 performance...

[JG53Frankyboy]

Originally Posted by fruitbat

i know the other Italian planes were there, but have never seen anything about the g50 in BoB myself. plenty of ref to the other 3 planes though.

happy to be proved wrong would like to know the source.

http://www.dalnet.se/~surfcity/falco_bob.htm

[DC338]

Pity there is Belgian airfields in the game. Why model the planes if they have nowhere historical to operate from? Not a huge oversight, though it is odd. Why model italian aircraft that flew a total of 883 sorties, yet leave out the Do-17 and the E-4 it just doesn't make a lot of sense to me from a BoB sense, in a med campaign for the future I guess it does.

[fruitbat]

thanks for the links madrebel and franyboy, interesting read.

wow, only 3 of the g50's were equipped with radios

and the first operation of the g50 was on the last 'official' day of the BoB ( not that the pilots seemed to noticed from all there various accounts that i've read, lol).

but it was defiantly there!

[madrebel]

Originally Posted by DC338

Pity there is Belgian airfields in the game. Why model the planes if they have nowhere historical to operate from? Not a huge oversight, though it is odd. Why model italian aircraft that flew a total of 883 sorties, yet leave out the Do-17 and the E-4 it just doesn't make a lot of sense to me from a BoB sense, in a med campaign for the future I guess it does.

because it is cool? idk the do17 was a much larger contributor than the ju88 however is anyone going to argue which is a better/cooler plane?

the mind boggles on the E4 as well i don't quite understand that one either but w.e just more stuff for modders to include.

[fruitbat]

not to mention the E1, which certainly through june july and aug was the most common 109 in the air.


Hooton in Eagle in Flames gives the percentage losses of 109s by subtype:

July
E1 - 44%
E3 - 30%
E4 - 20%

August
E1 - 40%
E3 - 8%
E4 - 52%

September
E1 - 38%
E3 - 1%
E4 - 61%

October
E1 - 36%
E3 - 2%
E4 - 62%

and from Kurfust, over at ubi a while ago,

"I have some actual numbers. On 31 August 1940, fighter units (excluding JG 77) reported 375 E-1s, 125 E-3s, 339 E-4s and 32 E-7s on strength, indicating that most of the E-3s had been already converted to E-4 standard. JG 77 had around 100-125 aircraft with it, but for the rest of the units, its 75% cannon E-3/4/7, the rest are all MG E-1s. The E-1 and E-3 were produced parallel and in about equal numbers from the end of 1938, but by mid-1940, the production of the E-1 stopped, replaced by the E-4 and then the E-7."

and

In Ulrich Steinhilper's book 'Spitfire on My Tail', he relates quite clearly that they, JG52 didn't get there first cannon armed 109's until mid september , and then only 2, which were hand me downs from another unit. Rest of the unit bar these 2 planes was still in E1's.

[JG52Uther]

Hush with the E1's for JG52 Fruitbat!

Actually,Luthier has already mentioned the E1 and E4,but they are sorting out the key problems first.
Personally I would LOVE a flyable Do17,its one of my favourite planes.

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by JG52Uther

Hush with the E1's for JG52 Fruitbat!

you can always pretend to be Ulrich.

(mid way through september of course!)

[Rickusty]

shameless bump...