Game is Unplayable

[Triggaaar]

Originally Posted by alansabout

I get fed up with this it is clear that this product is unfinished and then you get some idiot (it runs fine on my rig) undermining what is the truth (check out steam forums)

I disagree with you about the truth, so you find our posts idiotic. Whatever.

I don't know if this sort of thing will ever end with PC products, releasing half finished games, take their money and try and fix later attitude, you would not accept it if your brand new TV when you got it home could only get three channels to be told don't worry sir they are working on a fix.

Actually I would, if I was buying a tv that was better than any other tv I'd ever seen, and manufactured by a manufacturer that made my last tv and supported it so much that it was the best tv of all time.

I didn't get this game home to find out it wasn't finished, I knew it wouldn't be, because they made it clear.

[BobTuck]

Originally Posted by Triggaaar

I disagree with you about the truth, so you find our posts idiotic. Whatever.

Actually I would, if I was buying a tv that was better than any other tv I'd ever seen, and manufactured by a manufacturer that made my last tv and supported it so much that it was the best tv of all time.

I didn't get this game home to find out it wasn't finished, I knew it wouldn't be, because they made it clear.

+1.

Spot on.

BobTuck.

[bongodriver]

The point is that a new game can only be tested on whatever machines are available to the programmers, I can't believe people can't appreciate that simple fact, and if you have spent any ammount of time around computers you will know that each machine has its own quirks despite being of similar specs, so what...you want the dev teams to test on every conceivable variation of hardware first?......then we'd all end up bitching that the game isn't being released soon enough.....oh wait! that's already happened, like from the first moment SOW/COD was announced there are litteraly enough posts on untold number of flight sim forums 'when will it be released?' like that annoying kid in the car 'are we there yet?'

The TV analogy isn't quite the same thig is it, a TV doesn't have to cope with the random combination of hardware, it's just a TV.

Originally Posted by Triggaaar

I didn't get this game home to find out it wasn't finished, I knew it wouldn't be, because they made it clear.

I have to disagree with you on that one Trggaaar, the dev's didn't make it clear at all, in fact they did the reverse, they continued to ignore any requests to show in game footage, they showed video's that are not possible for anyone to replicate, and they made no annoucment before the Russian release that the game was broken. After release they then put the blame on Ubisoft for the Epilepsy filter that they also claimed was stopping SLI working, they quickly retracted the Ubisoft blame shortly afterwards and implied that the patch would fix SLI, obviously it doesn't. Add to that all the other issues it is more than clear that the Dev's fully understood that they were releasing a product that was not fit for purpose, in 2011 I believe that to be unacceptable.

[bongodriver]

So lets make it clear then we are all paying to join a development project. NO I still do not think we should have to spend hours trying to get a new paid for full price product to work. Most of the people who are having problems including myself have well over recommended spec machines and we all know the problems created by different configured PC's that give the developers problems but I go back to my original comment we would not accept this on any other NEW product.

let's ask this one then, if having spent the money bothers you so much, considering it has been released for all of 4 days, perhaps anyone wanting to make sure they were purchasing a flawless and perfect product would wait untill some good reviews were available to help with the decision, just like when buying a TV, given that everyone has included in the general complaining that this seems to be the way all games are released (with early bugs) then why are you so surprised???? I suggest you have no one else to blame but yourselves for not being astute enough to wait a few months/years for the game to have received it's ultimate patch (because we all know the final patch fixes everything for everyone) and as an added bonus the cost may have come down by the too.

[bongodriver]

I'm sure that both sides of the argument would claim the other just isn't 'getting it'

point is the complaining is getting tiresome, it's NOT constructive, making a bug report IS constructive, but accusing UBI, 1C etc of daylight robbery is petty, fine delete the game from your hard drive.....don't buy any UBI products ever again etc etc, yes perhaps I am a sad 'fanboi' and am unable to listen to the reasoned arguments of the complainers, but I too bought a game I don't feel is fully playable yet but I can deal with it and live with the consequences of my own actions.

Originally Posted by bongodriver

let's ask this one then, if having spent the money bothers you so much, considering it has been released for all of 4 days, perhaps anyone wanting to make sure they were purchasing a flawless and perfect product would wait untill some good reviews were available to help with the decision, just like when buying a TV, given that everyone has included in the general complaining that this seems to be the way all games are released (with early bugs) then why are you so surprised???? I suggest you have no one else to blame but yourselves for not being astute enough to wait a few months/years for the game to have received it's ultimate patch (because we all know the final patch fixes everything for everyone) and as an added bonus the cost may have come down by the too.

Feel free to correct me If i am wrong, but after the problems that were highlighted via the Russian forums the blame was put squarely at the feet of the Epilepsy Filter, this once removed was supposed to fix the game and it was announced that the patch would be available to European market at the time of download, there was no mention about multi core not functioning correctly, no mention of multiplayer issues, no mention of graphical anomalies, no mention that SLI had never been tested, no mention of no 64bit support, No mention that you could fly through Tree's, No mention of FM and ballistic problems, and no mention that aircraft could fly about with a wing missing. The list of smaller unmentionables is even longer. I am not saying that this game is worthless, if it gets fixed it will be a massive step forward in terms of aircraft models and damage models, but to release the product in its current state surely has the potential to cause such a backlash against the Dev's that it will do far more harm than good, you only have to look at other forums to see that the backlash as already started. I really cannot imagine what politics were involved in releasing this product but they sure as hell misjudged the mood of the flight sim community.

[bongodriver]

Yeah because the flight sim community is awash with choice after all, can barely move for high fidelity simulators being released every five seconds, I feel sorry for those console gamers......if flight sims keep getting released at this rate then console games will loose out on funding for development and be consigned to the history books.....

[Triggaaar]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Feel free to correct me If i am wrong, but after the problems that were highlighted via the Russian forums the blame was put squarely at the feet of the Epilepsy Filter, this once removed was supposed to fix the game

Honestly Tree, hand on heart, you are wrong:
1) From the start, it was possible to play the Russian version with the epilepsy filter off, and even then everyone knew the game wasn't smooth and without issues.
2) The development team said they'd spent the last 3 months trying to sort out the epilepsy issue, and hadn't been working on optimising the game as they had expected to.

there was no mention about multi core not functioning correctly, no mention of multiplayer issues, no mention of graphical anomalies, no mention that SLI had never been tested, no mention of no 64bit support, No mention that you could fly through Tree's, No mention of FM and ballistic problems, and no mention that aircraft could fly about with a wing missing.

All of this information was available before the game was released outside of Russia, because people on this forum were playing the game. Show us the posts where those people said there were no (or even only a few) issues with the game.

I am not saying that this game is worthless, if it gets fixed it will be a massive step forward in terms of aircraft models and damage models, but to release the product in its current state surely has the potential to cause such a backlash against the Dev's that it will do far more harm than good

Well that's the thing - the game has taken longer in development than the team expected, and presumably cost more, and they don't know how much they'd get back. So presumably they needed to release the game to get some money for it to continue. Is that ideal - obviously not. But this is the reality for a game like this.

It's just too early 4 days after release to be writing it off. It would be more interesting to know what it will be like in 2 or 3 months. Presumably you'd be delighted if it was in a good state to play in 3 months time?

[klem]

Originally Posted by Triggaaar

Honestly Tree, hand on heart, you are wrong:
1) From the start, it was possible to play the Russian version with the epilepsy filter off, and even then everyone knew the game wasn't smooth and without issues.
2) The development team said they'd spent the last 3 months trying to sort out the epilepsy issue, and hadn't been working on optimising the game as they had expected to.

All of this information was available before the game was released outside of Russia, because people on this forum were playing the game. Show us the posts where those people said there were no (or even only a few) issues with the game.

Well that's the thing - the game has taken longer in development than the team expected, and presumably cost more, and they don't know how much they'd get back. So presumably they needed to release the game to get some money for it to continue. Is that ideal - obviously not. But this is the reality for a game like this.

It's just too early 4 days after release to be writing it off. It would be more interesting to know what it will be like in 2 or 3 months. Presumably you'd be delighted if it was in a good state to play in 3 months time?

+1

I don't really care about the current state of the game, given I and many others can fly it without much trouble. Basically it works on reasonable PCs. The things that are wrong are the tip of the product iceberg when you think about the amount if work that goes into a product like this.

It isn't right yet, its a shame but that's how it is. Was it released at £35 on purpose? I expected to pay £50 plus. Maybe money was the issue.

I would rather have it now the way it is now than wait another year. I am happy to report bugs and speed up the 'testing' effort if that's the way some people see it.

As some guys have said, where are you going to get a another new combat sim of the calibre this undoubtedly will be? It's overdue and buggy but if it wasn't available at all (like say MG went out of business for lack of money) where would you go for your next good combat sim? IL-2 is ok, with or without mods, but its dated and the FMs needed improving.

So, yes, its not right yet but if that bothers you, return it or turn it off until its better. If it cost you £35/$50 and you are saving for or buying a new rig then the game price is neither here nor there. In any case its a cheap investment for what it is going to be.

We get the message, now please stop bloating the threads that are trying to be constructive by dragging up the same old complaints. At least try to be constructive.