Some tabloid employees among us?

Originally Posted by addman

They had two choices, release the game in this state OR not release it at all, EVER! Which one would you rather have?

We dont know that Addman, I've not heard that anywhere else.

[addman]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

We dont know that Addman, I've not heard that anywhere else.

That's just it! isn't it? Everybody's keep "hearing things" and the poop fan turns on full speed. Anywho, games get rushed when money is tight, fact! If it wasn't why didn't they release the game like 2 years ago if they just wanted a quick buck?

Question still remains, unfinished game or no game at all, what's your preference?

[GnigruH]

Question still remains, unfinished game or no game at all, what's your preference?

Unfinished but playable game.
And print on the box 'This game is unfinished'


I ask you, when did you realise that this game is 'unfinished' (read unplayable)?
Answer: AFTER it was released.
Maybe they had to rush it, I don't mind. I just can't understand why someone haven't stated clearly before release that the game is unfinished, barely runs, is basically a beta.

If it was clear that you're going to buy a beta, it would be a totally different story.

[nearmiss]

Talk it to death...

No way anyone is going to change a darn thing about BOB COD.

Constructive, sensible explanations will aide developers to get it what you think is right.

Rants, whines and complaints won't even be read.

Pick your poison, you might actually be someone competent enough to share some viable information that might help developers.

Then if you only complain... "who cares what you think" is generally the attitude of persons reading your postings.

Not saying the developers didn't expect this kind of barrage of rants, whines and complaints. Oleg has often expressed his disdain for all the non-constructive junk people say. Recently, there were postings where he expressed such disdain, and mentioned quitting.

I can tell you this much... You don't want Oleg to quit, because your future with competent air combat simulation will be over, over, over. ---

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by Vevster

Or release it llater, after optimization.

Why would that not be a choice?

Because apparently they had already ran out of money by November. If you dig a bit deeper in the forum and search previous posts, it was Oleg's own words saying that's why they wanted to release back then, further delays would make the project financially non-viable.

Originally Posted by Zorin

I really don't want to get entangled in this trench war that is being fought here over the last couple of days, but why is no one trying to cover the middle ground?

We are in a rather unique situation here that has shown its ugly face now.

This is a niche market with a target audicence mostly well educated on the subject and 1C is the only company covering it. The result is a highly demanding yet faithful customer base that needs to be handled with care.

It has displayed an enormous amount of patience while waiting for the release of this new game, which is an undeniable fact, relying heavily on the communication with the head of development. That way, they felt very close to the development process while not actually knowing a lot about what was really going on. Except for the latter half of last year, the hard evidences (screens etc.) have been very scarce and not in line with the prospect of future glory that should be expected of CoD as announced by the dev team.

The weeks before release then were marked by announcments that crucial features wouldn't make the release and that it is not foreseeable when they will be implemented in a functional form.

Still faithful our Russian friends have ventured off into the unknown and bought the game only to find out that it just doesn't work properly and falls short in a number of crucial ways.

So here we are now. A community deeply shaken by what has happened and most of us are not sure what to make of the situation. Of course, there are the "I told you" types, rightfully pointing out that the lack of answers to questions asking for hard facts made this whole release fishy and the fanboys who will do no matter what to protect their beloved developer from any possible harm, also rightful in their doing. Yet neither position will get us out of the current misery.

What is needed now is to calm down, all of us, and to invite the head of development to a "round table" for a honest assessment of the situation.

Now why do you have to go all reasonable on everyone and spoil the fun
In all seriousness, this is my assessment as well:

1) It has issues while it's still great in some things. The single main issue is that it's inconsistent and unstable a lot of times. Yes, it needs work, possibly lots of it. No, the basic premise doesn't suck at all.
All this game needs to do in order to start rolling properly is to pull a consistent 30 FPS at the specs quoted by its system requirements (at low to medium settings for the minimum specs and medium to high for the recommended ones), nothing more since the gameplay features will cover the rest of the ground, nothing less since anything below 25 FPS can be unplayable.

2) There's too many people who won't take no for an answer and can't cope with others having a different opinion. Half the people are in panic mode and the other half in denial. A substantial part is also changing from one mode to the other depending on whatever snippet of out-of-context information they receive.

I'm going to be honest with you, if this wasn't somewhat getting to me and slightly swaying my mood back and forth too (something which is not easy to do in general, it's actually a feat to get me worried about something like this) i'd be laughing all day long over the madness of it all, instead of only intermittently like i do now

Originally Posted by Kikuchiyo

Except this article. Luthier even confirms it later in the thread. He also says it is a temporary fix, and as soon as they are able to smooth out the offending features to be complaint the filter will be removed. Which means? We will get frame rates back. but there will likely be a negligible drop in visual fidelity. In the end I think virtually no one would be able to say what has been made epileptic friendly and what hasn't. I also seem to recall them saying they expect to have a fix within days or short weeks.

Does it suck that it was released with this "feature" that is causing such problems? Yes. Will it always be this way? No. Should we keep beating this dead horse? No, unless it doesn't get fixed, but then we'd still be beating a dead horse; which, hopefully most of you understand, accomplishes nothing.

Edit: WTH? Tree you even posted several replies in that thread....Are you telling me you either ignored or completely discounted the article in the OP?!

Actually, even footage with the filter enabled clearly shows effects like tracers, prop discs (not from all angles though and without the sun reflection when viewed head on), muzzle flashes and exhaust flames. Which leads me to believe that when they rework the effects it won't be a case of "omg, where's my fancy flashes?", they will probably make effect work on a lower contrast and that will be it.

I think i know what they meant when they said the game went off the scale in the epilepsy testing due to the effects used. Watch how the cockpit starts flashing like a Xmas tree when the guns are fired in one of the early videos here, just jump to the 20 second mark and watch the reflections on the canopy framing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4Fx3pHQFHk

To be honest, if it's that kind of stuff that will get edited out i have no problem. It's minor and to be honest, after i noticed it it's so easy to focus on that it would not let me concentrate properly on flying the airplane. It might be realistic, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be detrimental to my ability to play the game for a long period of time even if i didn't get epileptic seizures. I'm surprised i didn't notice it earlier, this is a very well done effect and i guess it's realistic, but it can also give you a very nice headache after a few hours of gameplay

So, if it's stuff like that they are toning down i have no problem with it. In fact, in almost every player submitted video i've seen the rest of the effects are there, from tracers to rounds impacting on the target, engine fires, everything.

Finally, in a few months there will be an SDK released so that we can make mods for the game. If someone wants to, they can probably uninstall and reinstall their Russian version, not patch it, extract the original effects and offer them as a 3rd party mod: we can get all the seizure-inducing effects we want and the developer studio will not be liable for any kind of damages, problem solved.

[Triggaaar]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

I can tell you this much... You don't want Oleg to quit, because your future with competent air combat simulation will be over, over, over. ---

Er, but he has quit hasn't he? He's already started doing less with the team, and is due to leave completely soon. I haven't just made that up?

[Kikuchiyo]

Originally Posted by Triggaaar

Er, but he has quit hasn't he? He's already started doing less with the team, and is due to leave completely soon. I haven't just made that up?

No, he is on the record as saying he was just frustrated. He is still in gaming, and looking for new partnerships in the gaming industry. He has not said he's leaving 1C Maddox, and reiterated that he isn't leaving gaming. Just looking for a new project. The whole Oleg is leaving forever doom brigade came from some off handed comment he made on Youtube at the end of an argument with some juvenile poster.

This is Exactly what the OP was talking about. Taking rumor and here say and spinning it as absolute fact. That is for tabloid journalists, and doesn't add or improve the topics at hand. Being worried about the known performance issues with the game, and being uncertain about whether or not you get it is fine, but using speculation, misinformation, rumor, and untruths and stating them as fact is unacceptable and down right despicable.

[Triggaaar]

Originally Posted by Kikuchiyo

No, he is on the record as saying he was just frustrated. He is still in gaming, and looking for new partnerships in the gaming industry. He has not said he's leaving 1C Maddox, and reiterated that he isn't leaving gaming. Just looking for a new project. The whole Oleg is leaving forever doom brigade came from some off handed comment he made on Youtube at the end of an argument with some juvenile poster.

This is Exactly what the OP was talking about. Taking rumor and here say and spinning it as absolute fact. That is for tabloid journalists, and doesn't add or improve the topics at hand.

Oh, I had no idea, thanks for putting me straight.

It would be a great shame if he did leave the IL2 project. I wouldn't complain, it's his life and I'd understand if he was fed-up with us all. And I know he hasn't built this on his own, the team around him are very experienced. But this masterpiece in the making is his vision, and I am quite prepared to beg him to stay if it helps

[Insuber]

Originally Posted by GnigruH

Unfinished but playable game.
And print on the box 'This game is unfinished'


I ask you, when did you realise that this game is 'unfinished' (read unplayable)?
Answer: AFTER it was released.
Maybe they had to rush it, I don't mind. I just can't understand why someone haven't stated clearly before release that the game is unfinished, barely runs, is basically a beta.

If it was clear that you're going to buy a beta, it would be a totally different story.

LOL! When you buy eggs, you want them to print on the shell "this chicken is unfinished"? Come on, you can't be serious ...

[GnigruH]

Originally Posted by Insuber

LOL! When you buy eggs, you want them to print on the shell "this chicken is unfinished"? Come on, you can't be serious ...

LOL, there's no logic in what you say, you know


When I want to buy an egg, I buy an egg.

If I buy a chicken, and get the egg instead... well, that's where the problem is.

So I say they could at least state clearly before delivering the egg: 'this chicken is unfinished', so ppl wouldn't think they're buying chickens.