More on epilepsy in Cliffs of Dover

[adonys]

Originally Posted by luthier

In summary, I want to stress that it is OUR code and OUR game engine that is causing performance issues. And it US who has to make it better, and that's exactly what we pledge to do.

This sounds like a poor damage control post.

IT states nothing we didn't knew already: of course that the code is Maddox, but is UBI that IMPOSED that code to be added to the game.

Originally Posted by luthier

We worked hard to address all these issues individually, but since a flight sim is all about fast-moving large objects, there were just too many instances of things causing high-contrast flashes.

We DO NOT want to have the 6 years hard working created engine/game teared to pieces in order to add this code, which will simply make it to not be a simulator anymore.

We need to have the game as it was made BEFORE this epilepsy thing, and every modification to it added in order to address the potential epilepsy issues, to be added as an option, ie, allowing normal people to play without it. It's sick to punish all the people just because it might hurt some which shouldn't/won't play this game anyway.

Regarding the necessity to avoid a lawsuit, it can be easily done how it was done hundered times before: IF the epilepsy warning is disabled from ini file, at the launch of the game, put up a mandatory pop up stating epilepsy care-bear code was deactivated, and any user entering the game does it on its own risk (the standard MMO EULA) and by pressing the ACCEPT button (which will be the only way to start the game). This mean no ordinary user can acceidentally start the game without the epilepsy filter code, as it needs to be manually added to the ini file, and even if will do it, being forced to press the Accept button in order to start the game means he was warned and knows about it, and chose to do it at his own risk. From law's point of view, this method is bullet proof (again, see all the MMO's legal part solutions).

All of the above IF this "epilepsy filter" excuse is true.. Because it very much looks like actually it isn't..

Do not seek further excuses on something which looks more and more as not being what is presented to be, but rather a smoke screen to hide the complete lack of optimization done on this engine, and the fact that it does NOT meet the reasonable gameplay experience on minimum settings/minimum requirements. Which, btw, can lead to real suits against UBI.

PS: I've pre-ordered a CE of this game, in order to help both UBI and Maddox and give my support for this game/genre. If UBI doesn't make this so called "filter" optional, I will cancel my pre-order, and I will look forward to buy a russian 1C release after all the optimisations to the engine are made.

[T}{OR]

@ adonys:

Spot on.

[House M.D.]

Guys, as long as this reasoning is true (and I do believe Ilya), you can't blame them and you can't ask them to offer it as an optional setting for the simple reason that not all epileptic people know their problem!

You can't ask them to risk this, because the person who might have the problem can be YOU!
And you may get it while being alone in your darklighted room and get all of the possible problems.

Just give them time to find a solution to this problem.

Let's wait and in the meantime...betatest the game!

[swiss]

Originally Posted by House M.D.

Guys, as long as this reasoning is true (and I do believe Ilya), you can't blame them and you can't ask them to offer it as an optional setting for the simple reason that not all epileptic people know their problem!

You can't ask them to risk this, because the person who might have the problem can be YOU!
And you may get it while being alone in your darklighted room and get all of the possible problems.

Just give them time to find a solution to this problem.

Let's wait and in the meantime...betatest the game!

I wonder how i survived the past 35years - with all those flashy lights...

It just needs a waiver, end of story.

[C_G]

House,

That's an interesting point, but I don't think it's a legally accurate one.
Food manufacturers aren't precluded from making products with peanut or peanut oil on the chance that a consumer might not be aware that they have a fatal allergy to peanuts.

They're only required to perform due diligence in warning consumers that their products do or may contain peanuts.

C_G

[Kianoni]

Originally Posted by C_G

House,

That's an interesting point, but I don't think it's a legally accurate one.
Food manufacturers aren't precluded from making products with peanut or peanut oil on the chance that a consumer might not be aware that they have a fatal allergy to peanuts.

They're only required to perform due diligence in warning consumers that their products do or may contain peanuts.

C_G

That's what I was referring to as stated in other threads.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by C_G

House,

That's an interesting point, but I don't think it's a legally accurate one.
Food manufacturers aren't precluded from making products with peanut or peanut oil on the chance that a consumer might not be aware that they have a fatal allergy to peanuts.

They're only required to perform due diligence in warning consumers that their products do or may contain peanuts.

C_G

Correct. Ban peanuts!

[House M.D.]

Originally Posted by swiss

Correct. Ban peanuts!

Nope, because your child doctor gives you instructions what and when to feed your kid.
The feeding procedure is supposed to be under control and mommy is supposed to watch her kid after she feeds it a potential problematic food.

[YellowPaw]

It doesn't have to be you that has epilepsy.

You're playing CoD in your den and your son comes in to see what you're doing - he looks over your shoulder to watch and BAM! You didn't know he was an epileptic until that moment. All the 'I'll take responsibility for my own safety' arguments mean bugger all when that happens. It isn't just about you.

Sorry to be melodramatic, and I agree it's extrememly unlikely to happen, but... just sometimes, it does happen.

When I was a mere schoolboy of 15, I watched a teacher up and die in the middle of a lesson due to epilepsy - it was quite unnervinging to say the least.

For myself, I've been playing Il2 for the last ten years or so - and I'll be playing this new game for the next ten at least. I hope Ilya and co get things sorted out soon. Until then... the sun is actually shining on the south-east of England for a change - I think I'll go for a walk.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by YellowPaw

You're playing CoD in your den and your son comes in to see what you're doing - he looks over your shoulder to watch and BAM! You didn't know he was an epileptic until that moment.

That would be the perfect spot to notice his disease - at least, then you know and it happend right beside you.

What if this happens on a staircase? Or while climbing up a tree?