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[=XIII=Shea]

IMOH Tree is exactly right in what he said

Originally Posted by zapatista

your a turd tree, and you should have been perm banned from here years ago because your motives and behavior will never change, your only ever sprouting negative crap about this sim

its obvious to all that bother looking that you are now also making posts in several forums how you rejoice in the problems reported by the ubi filter debacle. not that the epilepsy filter problems are in any way relevant to good/bad the actual CoD sim is (which is great by all indications), but to you any problems reported with the sim are a reason for joy, its a twisted perverted mental state you are locked into

Originally Posted by zapatista

i am canceling my order as well till this is solved

the only hopeful solution i see for this is that for the russian market they will make this filter optional (or remove it completely) and put a warning on the box etc ... we can then download it online from russia, or buy it from a russian amazone site etc..

one issue people havnt mentioned in this thread yet, those in danger of having epilepsy induced are most likely people who dont yet know they have the condition or that they are predisposed to it (since epileptics generally will be told to avoid anything that involves rapidly alternating bright lights etc..).secondly, even "normal" people who are not epileptic can have epilepsy (or migraine etc) induced in them if you just expose them long enough to severe enough of a visual irritation of the right type (be this from games or other flashing lights etc).

point being: with these pc games (and movies etc) it is not a bad thing to have the game creators and programmers being made aware of some of these issues so that they take account of it where possible (meaning we might have slightly uglier prop spin, rather then more realistic ones that have an increased risk to them). and in the same way games/movies are screened by national censors for content and age rating, games could be screened for "epilepsy inducing rating" so that the worst visual effects that might be a problem are toned down.

sadly this is not how the risk reduction is being implemented, ubi seems to have located some half baked idea and is blanket implementing on all its products, even if it kills the game itself. dont have any illusions, ubi will not do anything to solve this (given their previous total disregard of customer interests, even if it completely kills a game series). our only hope is for oleg's crew to find a work around for the russian market, and us somehow getting a hold of that product line

meanwhile cancel all your orders and hit ubi in the only place they care, the sales revenue. buying directly from oleg in russia probably also significantly increases oleg's profit margin on the sale, so its supporting him in trying to find a solution

Seems you have lost faith my little friend, Im still buying it.

[Cpt Dremmen]

Oh god...

[whatnot]

So much anxiety, millions of questions, tons of rumors, rivers of tears but very little facts.

I really hoping that someone from the dev team would step in today and set the record straight before we all go mental and our collective frustration creates a nuclear explosion of some sort.

These details would put atleast my mind at ease:
1) Video showing how it runs on a med-high pc without the epileptic filter
2) Video showing how it runs on the same box with the epileptic filter
3) Current plans and preliminary schedules to fix the issues
4) Information if there are any ways to workaround the filter (russian version or whatever)

Not too much to ask as the core customer base seems to be in crisis!

[furbs]

maybe all that will be in this weeks update?

we are getting a update this week right?

will the update video be running on a pre-screws-up-your-fps-sli-old build?

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by whatnot

So much anxiety, millions of questions, tons of rumors, rivers of
These details would put atleast my mind at ease:
1) Video showing how it runs on a med-high pc without the epileptic filter
2) Video showing how it runs on the same box with the epileptic filter
3) Current plans and preliminary schedules to fix the issues
4) Information if there are any ways to workaround the filter (russian version or whatever)

Not too much to ask as the core customer base seems to be in crisis!

Oh yes please. I`m waiting for the end-user flicks just like with Crysis2. Won`t buy a game that runs 15fps on medium, filter or no filter.
I`m not saying that the filter issue can`t be a cover up cuz it can. We haven`t heard any clarification from Ubisoft yet. It doesn`t matter much though. First off I bet my money on 1C because 90% that they`ve screwed up with IL2 they have fixed. On the other hand there is Ubi, which constantly misses customer communication, ruins entire games (SH5 for one), makes very bad publisher decisions (like Starforce). So I don`t have any reason to assume as Tree does, that this is all 1C`s fault.

In the end it doesn`t really matter, because both of them suffer. I won`t buy an unplayable game. Playing the title at a steady 40fps on medium is all I care for. And if it gets unrealistic with the filter on, then I won`t be buying that either.

45€ for a broken game? No thanks!

[Robert]

http://www.epilepsy.org.uk/campaigns...ng/video-games


Here's an interesting article detailing the history of the epilepsy problem as it faces game companies.


I'm not sure if this filter was to be implemented by 1C or not. Being a Russian company the regulations may be different. UBI has voluntarily used the testing method for a while and according to the article has edited out the offending effects. I'm also not sure if it was a standing order for all develpoers to employ the epilepsy filter.

Here's the issue at hand and why UBI has decided to go the route they do.

"Most video games carry some warning somewhere on their packaging that refers to epilepsy. These warnings are a voluntary measure by video games manufacturers to try and keep gamers safe. These warnings are all very well – provided you know that you have PSE. Unfortunately – as in the case of Gaye’s son – not everybody does.
Gaye says: “Three quarters of people – 76 per cent – won’t know that they have PSE until something triggers a seizure.”"

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Robert

Gaye says: “Three quarters of people – 76 per cent – won’t know that they have PSE until something triggers a seizure.”"

76% of 0.5% of the population.

They also mention 90% of the population have at least one seizure in their life, but usually it's too short to notice or remember.

Huh? How do they get these numbers if neither the people around nor the affected person notices it?

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by swiss

Huh? How do they get these numbers if neither the people around nor the affected person notices it?

thats what science and stats are for

there are specific statistical methods you can use to get a representable sample of the rest of the population from (and that sample group is the one you closely investigate and monitor), and then extrapolate your findings to the general population

[B25Mitch]

I haven't been in these forums for too long, so I assume that everyone's issue with Tree is that he's constantly critical of CoD?

That aside, he seems to put up rather well with the constant flaming he recieves.