Friday update and discussions 2011-03-11

[Kikuchiyo]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

So by asking to see some in game footage makes me a Troll?

a) By pointing out that the promo movie might have taken advantage of the in game tool that allows you to remove FPS drop that Luthier told us about but everyone else bar a few seem to have forgotton about also makes me a Troll?

b)Wanting to hear some sound or see a bomb drop somewhere makes me a Troll as well?


c)So who are the real Trolls here? Maybe its people like you who tell us dont worry guys just go and spend your cash on a game that you havent seen running, Oleg wont let you down, all pure speculation 'pick me ups', from the same old diciples. Well as you can see two weeks away from release and the excuses are wearing a bit thin, even some of the most faithfull are begining to question why we aren't seeing any real footage or hearing any sounds.

d)In real terms weve seen feck all of how this product performs. We know the Battle of Britian theme as been dropped because the game engine cannot handle more than 21 bombers but obviously for the sheep heads this is not a worry, but for us Trolls its slightly concerning.

Tree I think you are a stand up guy if a bit pessimistic at times so please don't take any of this the wrong way.

a) You didn't say it might be taking advantage of the render, rather assumed it was with no evidence one way or the other.

b) I think wanting to hear some sound is perfectly justifiable.

c) No one is saying spend your money blindly. Most have said "you don't have to buy it day one or even preorder you can wait for reviews and the community assessments."

d) We have seen active play videos that have progressed from slide shows over land to running fairly smoothly over land. Furthermore it's not the game engine that "can't handle 21 bombers" it's current PCs that can't crunch the number of calculations required for 21 bombers.

Please, if you are in doubt don't spend your money before you have more information. I will buy it as soon as it is available to me, and I assure you I will be back here either raising hell or praising the game. No one should demand that you just have utter faith that the developers of any game will do a perfect job or that it will be without fault. We must wait and judge the game on the merits. There will be many many people that will get this day 1 and of them I am sure many will report back to this community with their reviews/complaints/praises.

Your concerns are justifiable, and any reasonable person won't fault you for that.

Originally Posted by Kikuchiyo

Tree I think you are a stand up guy if a bit pessimistic at times so please don't take any of this the wrong way.

a) You didn't say it might be taking advantage of the render, rather assumed it was with no evidence one way or the other.

b) I think wanting to hear some sound is perfectly justifiable.

c) No one is saying spend your money blindly. Most have said "you don't have to buy it day one or even preorder you can wait for reviews and the community assessments."

d) We have seen active play videos that have progressed from slide shows over land to running fairly smoothly over land. Furthermore it's not the game engine that "can't handle 21 bombers" it's current PCs that can't crunch the number of calculations required for 21 bombers.

Please, if you are in doubt don't spend your money before you have more information. I will buy it as soon as it is available to me, and I assure you I will be back here either raising hell or praising the game. No one should demand that you just have utter faith that the developers of any game will do a perfect job or that it will be without fault. We must wait and judge the game on the merits. There will be many many people that will get this day 1 and of them I am sure many will report back to this community with their reviews/complaints/praises.

Your concerns are justifiable, and any reasonable person won't fault you for that.

Mate your points are valid and of course and I wont take it the wrong way

However, theres no doubt FPS issues have got better since they dropped all the features, but so far we have only seen a few aircraft over land, previous footage showed total lock ups with just one aircraft over land (the russian game show). This still doesn't fill me with confidence for airbattles with 30+ planes. Insuber obviously reads the forums and you can see in his post above that The movies made by the Devs have no bearing what so ever on how well the game will run, the track to video convertor shows fluid frame rate on any PC.

[Dano]

The 21 bombers was tuned for MINIMUM spec machines, quit making out it's a limit for all machines.

Originally Posted by Dano

The 21 bombers was tuned for MINIMUM spec machines, quit making out it's a limit for all machines.

Thats the max amount of bombers in the campaign by my understaning, surely you would think that if the game runs well, you would increase the bomber amount and let the users turn down all other details/aspects such as ground textures, AA, and resolution etc, rather than reduce the Battle of Britain to a small fight in a pub!

[Dano]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Thats the max amount of bombers in the campaign by my understaning,

Yes, because it was tuned for minimum spec machines.

surely you would think that if the game runs well, you would increase the bomber amount and let the users turn down all other details/aspects such as ground textures, AA, and resolution etc, rather than reduce the Battle of Britain to a small fight in a pub!

Are you really expecting to be able to turn up graphics settings on a minimum spec machine? It'll have to run with lowest settings from the off, that's why it's called a minimum spec.

Originally Posted by Dano

Yes, because it was tuned for minimum spec machines.



Are you really expecting to be able to turn up graphics settings on a minimum spec machine? It'll have to run with lowest settings from the off, that's why it's called a minimum spec.

Then you need to take a trip to 'Tree C World' and let me build you a stonking new Rig

[kaisey]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Thats the max amount of bombers in the campaign by my understaning, surely you would think that if the game runs well, you would increase the bomber amount and let the users turn down all other details/aspects such as ground textures, AA, and resolution etc, rather than reduce the Battle of Britain to a small fight in a pub!

I don't come here a lot, just for the updates but Tree, do you ever have anything positve to say?

Do you think OM would do anything that would damage sales of this game?

You take a comment made by Luthier and run with it when he was only trying to shut you up.

If you are unhappy, don't buy it

[MD_Titus]

the usual (n -1) pages of guff?

[Skoshi Tiger]

Originally Posted by MD_Titus

the usual (n -1) pages of guff?

One page of non-guff? Your being very generous!!!!!

[TheGrunch]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Thats the max amount of bombers in the campaign by my understaning, surely you would think that if the game runs well, you would increase the bomber amount and let the users turn down all other details/aspects such as ground textures, AA, and resolution etc, rather than reduce the Battle of Britain to a small fight in a pub!

That's a matter of opinion, isn't it? Seems like Oleg would prefer that the game looks good and has fewer aircraft at the minimum spec. Have you *seen* the minimum spec? It's not the kind of spec you would expect to run this game with a lot of aircraft, or indeed any new game. Wait until the campaign makers get their groove on.