Friday update and discussions 2011-03-04

[Heliocon]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

+1

I don't think FPS players or people trying to compare a FPS game or an arcade flying game like WoP quite understand that it's far easier to have great visuals when you have a map the size of a postage stamp.

I have mentioned this before, ArmA II Operation Arrowhead's visuals are often held up as state of the art for "simulations", yet no one bothers to mention that the largest map in that title, "Takistan" is a mere 164 square kilometers. That makes it roughly 12km on a side, if my admittedly poor math skills are right. So it's slightly larger than one grid square on the original IL2 Kuban map. And even at it's small size, cranking up the visibility distance to a mere three kilometers will grind many current computers to single digit frame rates.

Think a bit folks.

Thats a stupid comparison, arma 2 maps are far far more detailed then anything in COD or il2 or any flightsim. When you can get out of the plane, walk around buildings, hide in the grass/bush, see individual pebbles on the ground your comparison looks absurd.

COD does not have anywhere near the up close visual fidelity arma 2 has, while arma 2 does not have the scope that cod has. But arma 2 is also a flightsim, and ground combat sim all in one. Also the engine came out 2 years ago I believe...

[TheGrunch]

Originally Posted by Heliocon

COD does not have anywhere near the up close visual fidelity arma 2 has, while arma 2 does not have the scope that cod has.

Isn't this just a para-phrasing of ElAurens' post? I don't see where you actually disagree with him. His post is just pointing out how this difference in scope makes their up-close visual fidelity incomparable.

Originally Posted by Heliocon

But arma 2 is also a flightsim, and ground combat sim all in one. Also the engine came out 2 years ago I believe...

I'd say calling Arma 2 a flight sim is pretty generous.

[SQB]

I sort of understand the gripes with the bailed out pilot... but honestly? At 500kph a small body tumbling out of a plane is hard to spot in detail, sure we could get euphoria physics if you feel like forking out 2 grand for the game but I think this is good enough.

[addman]

I would like to see what the ground in ArmA II looks like from 20k up in the air. Somebody who have the game, plz take a screenshot from that altitude and let's compare it with the high altitude screens we've seen of CoD.

[ElAurens]

Originally Posted by addman

I would like to see what the ground in ArmA II looks like from 20k up in the air. Somebody who have the game, plz take a screenshot from that altitude and let's compare it with the high altitude screens we've seen of CoD.

Impossible to do.

The game cannot draw details that far away. You might be able to get it up to 3000 meters and get a screen shot, if you have a really good computer.

[addman]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

Impossible to do.

The game cannot draw details that far away. You might be able to get it up to 3000 meters and get a screen shot, if you have a really good computer.

That was the point of my question. There is no comparison between the two. It's like comparing Tetris to Pro Evolution Soccer, they're both about scoring but that's where the similarities end.

[BadAim]

Originally Posted by addman

That was the point of my question. There is no comparison between the two. It's like comparing Tetris to Pro Evolution Soccer, they're both about scoring but that's where the similarities end.

+1 Brilliant. Too many people are biting into an apple and complaining that it doesn't represent an orange correctly!

[AdMan]

CoD is an unfortunate acronym as CoD is synonymous "Call of Duty"

[1conu59]

Originally Posted by AdMan

CoD is an unfortunate acronym as CoD is synonymous "Call of Duty"

Yes but BOB is even worse because there is the Battle of Britain games and it's a simulation about 2WW

[ElAurens]

Originally Posted by Heliocon

But arma 2 is also a flightsim

Best laugh Ive had yet today.

Your credibility just went into the minus column.

There is no part of ArmA II that can be called a flight sim. The "FM" is totally canned, there are no structural limits of any kind, no cockpit instrumentation, no real damage model, and AI that make IL2 AI look like Albert Einstein. Last night I watched one of my squad mates in our regular ArmA II OA session doing aerobatics in a C-130. (He is a real pilot).

Hilarious.

Immelmans, Cuban Eights, outside loops, hammer head stalls, tail slides, prolonged inverted flight etc... A real C-130 would have torn it's wings off.

The only thing worse than ArmA II's aircraft is it's protrayal of armor.

ArmA II is an infantry tactics simulator, nothing more, nothing less.

It's a great game, but it's no flight sim.