What kind of joystick for CoD ?

[Artist]

Originally Posted by IbnSolmyr

Please, could you explain me what exactly is this problem???

See this post and the next

Originally Posted by IbnSolmyr

I really don't understand : how a major constructor could produce such a thing and let it with such a stupid prob??

Yeah. Good question. Very good question.

[SEE]

I will stick with my x52 STD (better then my Pro since magnet mod IMO). Some love them some hate them. Some last minutes, others years but once the guarantee is up you are 'stuffed' - no service or parts from Saitek.

They are huge and had no where to fit my KB on my desk, the upside is you never have to use the KB again. The downside is your stick buttons are now providing functions that could be accessed using the keyboard - the buttons are simply going to be overworked and fail. Keyboards are a lot cheaper than a X52 HOTAS ......I use a mini Zippy KB. Works great for me!


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[IbnSolmyr]

Originally Posted by Artist

See this post and the next

Ok, thanks for the link.
It's really so stupid ! Isn't it just a software problem ? Ouch...

[Artist]

Originally Posted by IbnSolmyr

Ok, thanks for the link.
It's really so stupid ! Isn't it just a software problem ? Ouch...

Yes. Rumour has it that Logitech introduced this to prevent the user noticing the potentiometers wearing out (after the usual 1 million movements) - by already being used to this behaviour. Support for the rumour would be (a) that the Reversal Bug does result in a similiar behaviour and (b) that Logitech fixed it for the x- and y-axes on the stick, those being the only two axes with Hall sensors.

However: There are two software workarounds created by users: MultiThrottle by MikkOwl and YaDeLi by me.

Edit: missing 'the' before 'only two axes'

[Sokol1]

Artist

And about replace these potentiometers used by Logitech G940 (probably same cheap ones used in 3DPRO) for good quality one, like Bourns, Spectrol?
Ie, these sold by L.Bodnar (you find better prices in online stores.

Or, even with good pots these "reverse"bug still?

I see G940 in overall better appropriated for prop sim than Warthog - due many rotaries.

Sokol1

[Artist]

Sokol1,

Originally Posted by Sokol1

And about replace these potentiometers [...]

It's not the potentiometers, its the firmware in the stick that creates the Reversal Bug... You could build in Hall sensors (as I will one of these days) and it would not change anything.

The only way is what others and I did: bypass the Logitech controller and firmware by connecting the potentiometers to a different controller (such as BU0836X)...

Originally Posted by Sokol1

I see G940 in overall better appropriated for prop sim than Warthog - due many rotaries.

I do not know the Warthog - knowing in the sense of having flown with it - but after I modded my G940 as described above I am without warranty but quite happy with it: feels good and I wouldn't miss the forcefeedback for the world (even learned something about electronics on the way).

Artist

[IbnSolmyr]

Originally Posted by Artist

Yes. Rumour has it that Logitech introduced this to prevent the user noticing the potentiometers wearing out (after the usual 1 million movements) - by already being used to this behaviour. Support for the rumour would be (a) that the Reversal Bug does result in a similiar behaviour and (b) that Logitech fixed it for the x- and y-axes on the stick, those being the only two axes with Hall sensors.

Unbelievable !!! Are they so stupid ?!

Originally Posted by Artist

However: There are two software workarounds created by users: MultiThrottle by MikkOwl and YaDeLi by me.

You're more and more interesning !!!

Do you think it could be possible to get this nice things somewhere ?
If, i could intend a G940 buy and try it during a safe commercial period and if it really doesn't work, then cancel my purchase...

[Artist]

Originally Posted by IbnSolmyr

Do you think it could be possible to get this nice things somewhere ?

Searching the forum for Multi-Throttle and YaDeLi could possibly supply an answer?

Anyway:
Multi-Throttle
YaDeLi

But beware! Both do no wonders... They successfully help on the Throttle axes, but both do not really solve it on Rudder and Trims: 100-0-100 axes are more difficult to un-reversal-bug than 0-100 axes.

Most of those owners of a G940 I know ended up modding it as I did.

[IbnSolmyr]

Thanks, Artist !

[PatBig]

Very interesting thread.

I am still running XP on my old PC, and using Microsoft Force Feedback 1 joystick (yes, I bought it to play with MS Combat Flight Simulator 1, a few years ago...). This joystick is fine for me.

I am pretty convinced that I will need a new PC to run CoD, so this new PC will run Win7 64 bits, and as far as I could see, it will not support my stick.

I really want a force feedback stick, and I was planning to invest in the G940, but after reading this thread I will probably wait until a real fix is found for the Reversal bug for all axis, before spending some money on that stick, and/or keep investigating on a way to have my current stick working under Win7 64 bits.

By the way, is anyone aware of any work around to have the MS FFB 1working (with force feedback) in Win7 64 bits ?
In my current system, it is plugged on the game port of an old Sound Blaster Live! sound card that I use only for that purpose since my motherboard has an integarted sound Blaster Live 24bit chipset that I use for sounds.

Unfortunately, the Sound Blaster Live! card will not be supported by win7 64 bits as far as I could see.