Freetrack interface use in IL-2:CoD

[vicinity]

Originally Posted by swiss

It is NOT a representation if you exclude an unknown percentage of the community - that was what my example was about, not democracy.
Seriously, don't you guys learn that in school?

The results of this poll are worth exactly: nothing.

My point was that the people who want to vote 'don't care' isn't important, like it would in a democracy.

Also notice my use of "select representation"...you'll never have absolute representation of the opinion of everyone who would/wouldn't use a feature in a poll anyway, as the majority won't be on these forums yet or those who won't have seen the poll.

Saying the poll means nothing isn't true, it shows at least that some people are interested in FT support and some are not or do not want it. It's not a fully scientific poll no, but that isn't even possible on an internet forum.

A Yes/No poll was good enough to show enough interest in support of FT, on the BI forum for BI to implement it into their game.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by vicinity

My point was that the people who want to vote 'don't care' isn't important, like it would in a democracy.

Not entirely true, depends on regulations.
Empty but returned ballots can be extremely important, but this goes too far OT.


But again: Lobi wanted to proof how important them implementation of FT is.
To proof this point you need a survey, a "yes vs. no" poll is rather ill-suited.


Now, let's look at the facts using some logic:

Why would Oleg hesitate to implement FT?
Answer: There is zero reason to exclude it, as long as it can be done fast and easy.

Unless:
a.
there are some legal issues Oleg is worried about and therefore hesitates
(which is obviously not a problem)
b.
He made a deal with NP and took money for it. It is his right to do so.

If it is "b", you can whine all day long, it's not gonna change anything, at least not for the next few months.
In fact, this whole discussion is a joke, we have to wait, and once the game is released face the facts.
Or does anyone seriously believe Oleg could just "forget" to implement FT? It's not like he's retarded or something.
Jeez.

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by swiss

Why would Oleg hesitate to implement FT?
Answer: There is zero reason to exclude it, as long as it can be done fast and easy.

Unless:
a.
there are some legal issues Oleg is worried about and therefore hesitates
(which is obviously not a problem)
b.
He made a deal with NP and took money for it. It is his right to do so.

If it is "b", you can whine all day long, it's not gonna change anything, at least not for the next few months.
In fact, this whole discussion is a joke, we have to wait, and once the game is released face the facts.
Or does anyone seriously believe Oleg could just "forget" to implement FT? It's not like he's retarded or something.
Jeez.

That's the points. The only logical answer for me is the b. letter. But why in this case Oleg can't came here and talk about? Maybe because is something not so "legal" about that?

I'm just speculating in this case. But we can't have a single word from 1C... And I think it's really strange.

The good point is that 1C let the discussions evolve. It's a nice touch.

Now, it's really wait and see what's happens... But one fact is if Oleg/1C dind't have one "hidden exclusivity contract" with NP, they CAN use Freetrack interface in IL-2:CoD. BIS made it, so, it's completly possible and LEGAL to do. People need to understand that.

[vicinity]

Originally Posted by swiss

Not entirely true, depends on regulations.
Empty but returned ballots can be extremely important, but this goes too far OT.


But again: Lobi wanted to proof how important them implementation of FT is.
To proof this point you need a survey, a "yes vs. no" poll is rather ill-suited.

It is ill-suited in your opinion, and complaining about the poll doesn't actually address the question of whether FT support should be included.

Originally Posted by swiss

Now, let's look at the facts using some logic:

Why would Oleg hesitate to implement FT?
Answer: There is zero reason to exclude it, as long as it can be done fast and easy.

Unless:
a.
there are some legal issues Oleg is worried about and therefore hesitates
(which is obviously not a problem)
b.
He made a deal with NP and took money for it. It is his right to do so.

If it is "b", you can whine all day long, it's not gonna change anything, at least not for the next few months.
In fact, this whole discussion is a joke, we have to wait, and once the game is released face the facts.
Or does anyone seriously believe Oleg could just "forget" to implement FT? It's not like he's retarded or something.
Jeez.

There is nothing there that I would argue with, except i'm not the one whining - i'm adding support for a feature I would like added to the game if it is not already in it.

[GOA_Potenz]

Swiss can you stop arguing with everybody, cool for you that use trackir, but what's this crusade against it, there's no point on yours, so please stop being a pure bampot, and no more argument.

Can it be?, please.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by GOA_Potenz

Swiss can you stop arguing with everybody, cool for you that use trackir, but what's this crusade against it, there's no point on yours, so please stop being a pure bampot, and no more argument.

Can it be?, please.

Huh? You must confuse me with somebody, I was just playing with lobi.
(I have 2 FT devices, my pc is full of pirated software - I did post my own review of Tir, but again, see above.)

Originally Posted by vicinity

It is ill-suited in your opinion, and complaining about the poll doesn't actually address the question of whether FT support should be included.

Agreed. This poll doesn't change a thing either - actually here we have two guys arguing about whether FT's interface is legal not.

except i'm not the one whining

You was meant as "you among us/them", sorry.

i'm adding support for a feature I would like added to the game if it is not already in it.

I already addressed this point.
You should remind them to add joystick support...

But you gather more than 20 votes for your cause!

At least 10% voted for same reason like me - wreck your poll.

Why don't we discuss which options a new poll should have?

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by swiss

Why don't we discuss which options a new poll should have?

[SEE]

I tend to agree with Swiss regards the Voting options. Headtracking is gaining popularity and there are various systems available. From a Business and marketing perspective I would imagine that the 'Target Market' and 'share' between the various systems is what would be considered and the wether there would be an impact on sales if a particular segment of that 'market share' was unsupported.



If I were marketing a Global product I would establish what segment of the Target Market has, or intends to 'use', Headtracking and what systems they are currently using. May be only 10% use Headtracking and 2% have FT, 7% NP and 1% Other. On the other hand, the use of 'Headtracking' may account for 67% and FT is 35% of that - I haven't a clue and neither has anyone else on this forum. The simple truth, wether you like it or not, is that FT is well established as an 'alternative'. If there are large numbers of FT users in the Headtracking community, and the use of 'Headtracking' represent a significant section of that target market, could omitting support impact on sales?

My approach would be simple (and would apply to permanent Internet connection DRM if the details had not been made public) - place pre-order - send email to UBI asking for spec/HT support - no response or no support for FT/Other - buy 'appropriate' or 'Cancel Order' giving reasons for!

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by vicinity

My point was that the people who want to vote 'don't care' isn't important, like it would in a democracy.

Also notice my use of "select representation"...you'll never have absolute representation of the opinion of everyone who would/wouldn't use a feature in a poll anyway, as the majority won't be on these forums yet or those who won't have seen the poll.

Saying the poll means nothing isn't true, it shows at least that some people are interested in FT support and some are not or do not want it. It's not a fully scientific poll no, but that isn't even possible on an internet forum.

A Yes/No poll was good enough to show enough interest in support of FT, on the BI forum for BI to implement it into their game.

if the poll had have been run with wording along the lines of;

Should games have provision for alternative headtracking - yes/ no?
Doesn't worry me either way

you may have received an even larger yes vote than the current one

if it had have been along the lines of;

Should FT (or any other headtracker) be included with capacity to sponge/ hack off TIR/ other - yes/ no?
Should FT (or any other headtracker) be included without capacity to sponge/ hack off TIR/ other - yes/ no
Don't care either way

the result would be different again but the intent of the poll would be clear and at all time, the "don't care" vote is neutral and not to be counted as for or against.

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

if the poll had have been run with wording along the lines of;

Should games have provision for alternative headtracking - yes/ no?
Doesn't worry me either way

you may have received an even larger yes vote than the current one

if it had have been along the lines of;

Should FT (or any other headtracker) be included with capacity to sponge/ hack off TIR/ other - yes/ no?
Should FT (or any other headtracker) be included without capacity to sponge/ hack off TIR/ other - yes/ no
Don't care either way

the result would be different again but the intent of the poll would be clear and at all time, the "don't care" vote is neutral and not to be counted as for or against.

Freetrack can't "hack" TIR because Freetrack can't connect with TIR hardware.

It's another thing that I'm tired about, NP guy. Freetrack "hacks" nothing.

Be a little more MORAL, you and your company. I'm a litle bit sick that some NP customers can't see really how things works...

But NP troll, please, some words about BIS:ArmAII and Freetrack use! I love the way you run far away from this subject and keep runnig in circles! It's funny!

But you gather more than 20 votes for your cause! I'm alway amazed how people can chose the wrong side for illogical or limmited thinking! It's nice!