Fulqrum Publishing Home   |   Register   |   Today Posts   |   Members   |   UserCP   |   Calendar   |   Search   |   FAQ

Go Back   Official Fulqrum Publishing forum > Fulqrum Publishing > IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover

IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 02-17-2011, 05:09 AM
Blackdog_kt Blackdog_kt is offline
Approved Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 2,715
Default

I don't think this is exactly nitpicking. The guy is making an informed observation and he's proven in the past that he's got the knowledge and the reference material to support it. So, as long as he's not rude or something (which i don't think he was, he just gave a list of things he spotted), it's no harm.

To be honest with you, i'm amazed that we (yes, i'm including myself in this too) spend pages upon pages arguing about stuff that is usually either subjective or hard to quantify in a scientifically acceptable way (for example, tracers or colour of grass, it's not that they are unimportant, it's just that it's harder to measure and compare between game and reality), yet when someone comes up with references on things that are very obvious and easy to compare we all jump on his throat

In fact, i think we've reached a point were the interaction between a tiny amount of over-the-top nitpickers and over-the-top "fanboys" is making it so polarized, that it's getting difficult for the rest of us to avoid getting placed in one of the camps, even without our consent.
We have people like Rodolphe or FlyingPencil who have a lot knowledge and in some cases first hand experience with museum warbirds and people call them nitpickers, because they're tired of the ones who are really nitpicking. Then on the other hand, we have people who remain critical without outright trashing the game and another group calls them butt-kissing fanboys because they are tired of the few who really fit the description.

Well, in my personal experience there are a lot of people who are neither of the two. They are the ones who keep a level headed attitude and do the most to help improve this sim and ease the tensions within the community.

All i'm saying is, please allow those of us who wish so to stay away from this black-or-white vendetta. There are many who think the end result will neither be perfect nor trash, it will just be good and grow over time. Just because we don't find it perfect doesn't make us nitpickers, just because we don't find it totally worthless doesn't make us fanboys either


Finally, i don't think the guy was motivated by negative intentions, otherwise he wouldn't include praise for how the artificial horizon is modeled.

By the way, that's a very nice little detail he spotted there and it amazes me how much detail has gone into this. Instruments back in the day usually operated on gyroscopes spun by engine driven vacuum pumps, the same is true even today for many light/general aviation aircraft. Before the engine starts the gyro instruments are dead, after the engine is running and the pump operates, you gradually get enough suction pressure to create the necessary vacuum and instruments slowly stabilize. Great find on that one, i watched that video but i was so impressed with the sense of speed in the new sim that i missed details like this.

Finally, i will also agree that while documented criticism is useful, we don't know what's going on behind closed doors in the beta. That doesn't mean we have to assume that every small fault and bug is already to the developer's knowledge, but neither do we have to assume that it isn't. Just give good feedback in this forum with references and some good manners and it will all sort itself out, we have a lot of people with a wide range of aviation knowledge that can make a case without making a fool of themselves and a dev team that tries to listen. Relax, provide opinions and all will be just fine in the end.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 02-17-2011, 04:47 PM
Tommy544 Tommy544 is offline
Approved Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 9
Default

I don't know what's going on with you guys, but I think that after very long time when everyone was only complaining about wrong colored grass or star wars tracers, this is finally a constructive thread!

You know for what there is a BETA stage of the development of any program or game? It is for fixing as many bugs as you can find. I know that many of these bugs are already fixed, but I bet that they didn't notice all of them. Would you be happier if the game was released missing some instrument in the cockpit? ( I know that they would notice such a big bug, but for example those gauges with some minor incorrect colors are very hard to notice.)

I just have to say that I'm with you Rodolphe, great job!
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 02-17-2011, 05:24 PM
FG28_Kodiak FG28_Kodiak is offline
Approved Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Swabia->Bavaria->Germany
Posts: 884
Default

Its useless.
For Example in the leaked Beta Video (i ve downloaded it) there is no one of the descriped "Errors" of the Hurricane to see.
The Instruments are on the correct place and working and no problem with the artificial horizon.
Maybe the cheap grafic cards on the kiev show dont load the textures correctly.

By "Missing wire and spring on the canopy restraining system." He is right this is an Fault.

Last edited by FG28_Kodiak; 02-17-2011 at 05:27 PM.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 01:30 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 2007 Fulqrum Publishing. All rights reserved.