Head Tracking with Cliffs of Dover

[MadBlaster]

Originally Posted by Novotny

If NP have a monopoly, it's only because they're quite good at what they do. They don't force anyone to change their game code to ensure other solutions couldn't work - seriously, why would they bother with that? They almost certainly do ask developers to incorporate their work - but isn't that perfectly reasonable?

If my 'xxxx your pants' add-on was really good and accurately gave users a sense of filling their pants with faeces, why would I not ask Oleg et al to allow it too work? Shouldn't anyone who desires it not have the option to sense their pants filling up with crap?

For all who are interested, so far, the beta developer's SKU involves my mate standing behind you pissed out of his mind with a Samurai sword. It's working really good.

@Novotny
How do you know this? Are you privy to the NDA between NP and 1C? Of course not. So, you are literally talking crap here.

@Everyone
6dof for your mouse is irrelevant. The mouse and the head have to be independent. You can't sit in the back of a stuka, fly the plane, move your head around and shoot bandit on your six. You need the mouse to aim the gun while you move your head. Freetrack allows you to do this. Mouseylook, who the hell knows or cares except W-R.

I see this thread is now one of the top on the board again! Also, I see that the date for release of CoD may be delayed. Coincendence? I leave you to speculate.

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by MadBlaster

@Everyone
6dof for your mouse is irrelevant. The mouse and the head have to be independent.

No, it isn't irrelevent and there only has to be an alternative. The calls have only ever been "we want 6DoF access". The advices in response have always been, come up with a method of accessing the 6DoF, but do it without violating anyone elses' copyrights

Originally Posted by MadBlaster

You can't sit in the back of a stuka, fly the plane, move your head around and shoot bandit on your six. You need the mouse to aim the gun while you move your head. Freetrack allows you to do this. Mouseylook, who the hell knows or cares except W-R.

left mouse click for fire weapon?

[Novotny]

Damnit, I'm starting to get into this.

You say that NP encypted their own software? And that's bad? I do hope you are posting from a Linux set-up. And if you are, are you using a CPU from either AMD or Intel? YOU TOTAL BASTARD.

And if not, have you hand-crafted the motherboard? And the GPU? Or the RAM? Is it all totally open source?

Am I making any sort of point?

[Stipe]

You can't encrypt something that you don't have a patent for it. Or am I crazy? I really don't know, that's why I'm asking.
That's like saying: oh, let's say Nintendo made the first video game. Are they the only one allowed to make video games?
NP weren't the first one that made HT. You can't take something, make it better, have no patent and say, this is all mine.
Who made the first wheel? How come we have so many different company's making wheels? They all steal by that logic.
Maybe they bought the patent?

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by Stipe

You can't encrypt something that you don't have a patent for it. Or am I crazy? I really don't know, that's why I'm asking.

To be honest there is I feel some may have a confusion between copyright and patent and as mentioned earlier, they are two seperate entities.





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Originally Posted by vicinity

It is for the people who bought trackir 1 & 2 and who now forced to upgrade and buy a new version if they want to get headtracking in the new games with encryption.

Vicinity, AGP died out, gameport died out, floppy drives are close to extinction and so is the P2 connection for mice and keyboards... Microsoft don't offer programming support for their FFB joystick in the (at least) last two operating system releases. where is the out cry there?

[Stipe]

Fair point. So all headtracking solutions, not just freetrack used NP code? Did you see the list NP feels that they are stealing from them? Even the ones that were around before NP? So, did NP steal from someone else in the past?

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by Stipe

Fair point. So all headtracking solutions, not just freetrack used NP code? Did you see the list NP feels that they are stealing to them? Even the ones that were around before NP? So, did NP steal from someone else in the past?

could you present the list you're refering to, please Stipe?

[Novotny]

I just hope we're starting to get through to these chaps. I am totally for consumer rights, but they seem to have some really weird idea about what they're entitled to.

[Novotny]

Again, I don't know what NP do to protect their code, but it would not be worth their while to try and stop any code that did not infringe upon their copyright.

Let's be completely frank: this is about the cost of TrackIR. If it didn't cost as much as it did, you wouldn't be screaming about it. Coca-Cola protect their intellectual rights more vociferously than perhaps anyone on the planet, but you don't care about that because you can afford it.

Seriously, why don't you channel some of this energy into something worth fighting for?

[MadBlaster]

Originally Posted by Novotny

I just hope we're starting to get through to these chaps. I am totally for consumer rights, but they seem to have some really weird idea about what they're entitled to.

Novotny, NP has every right to encrypt their code. You don't understand the issue. This is about NP creating a barrier to a market via their NDA with 1C to maintain an artificial monopoly. Ten years ago, when they really were the only player, they had every right to make tons of money as a monoply. That was ten years ago! There are now many equivalent substitutes to TrackIR. This is the natural progression, economic theory. For example, everyone use to drive model A and model T Fords in the US and ford was a monoply. Now we all drive all kinds of cars. I direct you back to Blackdog's last post. He has a firm grasp on the issue imo and I believe he has good reputation on this board, whereas, mine may, admittedly, be questionable at this point.