no friday update today???

[F19_Klunk]

I am quite frankly a bit surprised that so many diss this title beforehand, based on "beta and WIP" footage/video alone. It also amaze me that the only reason they "diss" the title is the lack of eye candy? Sure I like eye candy as much as the next guy, but imo what makes or breaks the success of this sim is not how it looks (unless it is utter cr@p which we can agree on it does not) but rather how enjoyable it plays.

I got the wings of prey, and I liked the way it looked even though it was a bit desaturated, but what made me leave the title after only a few runs was.. I didn't really enjoy PLAYING IT.. not because of the gfx but because of the gameplay (or rather lack of it)

If Maddox games succeeds in good and innovative off- and online flying, allows people to fly with less than topnotch rigs, introduce interesting news and tricks of bags in the sim world, then this is a hit. IL2 did not survive this long due to graphics even though it's nice to have when u spend so much dough on your rig... it survived due to great gameplay and a strong community.
I cannot for my life understand the nitpicking about how explosions look.. not only because it's WIP but also that it is waaaaay down low on priority list.


Maybe these "disses" is just a reflection of the people uttering them (cup is always half empty kinda people) or it is a reflection of that the community are very eager for the release and we need to talk about SOMEthing... I don't know.

Maybe I will be one of those that will not be attracted by this title in the end, but I choose to stay neutral until I actually get the chance to play it..
but yes.. I too look forward to the release .. we will just have to see what it brings us.

2 cents

[T}{OR]

+1000

Excellent post Klunk. It shows you're one of the more mature posters around here.

Originally Posted by T}{OR

+1000

Excellent post Klunk. It shows you're one of the more mature posters around here.

Yep ! Nailed it...And what is the most impressive thing about Klunk, is the fact that he is only 14 yrs old...
So we need to grow up and set the example here....

Great post Klunk !

Salute !

[Redwan]

Originally Posted by T}{OR

+1000

Excellent post Klunk. It shows you're one of the more mature posters around here.

Very interresting point of view ... from an other submissive folower. Anyway, keep on cleaning Klunk's shoes, you do a good job

[F19_Klunk]

Originally Posted by Redwan

Very interresting point of view ... from an other submissive folower. Anyway, keep on cleaning Klunk's shoes, you do a good job

LOL At least you make me laugh

Dunno how you in anyway could interpret my input as a "submissive follower".. .. if u refer to me as an IL2 fan.. u bet.. and I think u are one as well.. what are u doing here otherwise

As I said, I am neutral until I get to play the game.. I have always, no matter what it concerns, had the opinion that one shouldn't judge anything or ANYONE unless you have facts. Regarding Cod, I know too little to come with any kind of conclusion; good or bad. The same goes for you; I know too little about you to judge u as a troll.. I THINK maybe u are one of those who prefers to have low expectations in order to be positively surprised... so.. mate.. let's all hope for this to be a big hit... for us to enjoy for a very long time
Can we agree on that?

cheers

PS "judging" from your previous post in the update threads from Oleg & Co you seem to me to be very positive actually..

[Redwan]

Originally Posted by F19_Klunk

Can we agree on that?

Totally

[philip.ed]

Originally Posted by F19_Klunk

I am quite frankly a bit surprised that so many diss this title beforehand, based on "beta and WIP" footage/video alone. It also amaze me that the only reason they "diss" the title is the lack of eye candy? Sure I like eye candy as much as the next guy, but imo what makes or breaks the success of this sim is not how it looks (unless it is utter cr@p which we can agree on it does not) but rather how enjoyable it plays.

I got the wings of prey, and I liked the way it looked even though it was a bit desaturated, but what made me leave the title after only a few runs was.. I didn't really enjoy PLAYING IT.. not because of the gfx but because of the gameplay (or rather lack of it)

If Maddox games succeeds in good and innovative off- and online flying, allows people to fly with less than topnotch rigs, introduce interesting news and tricks of bags in the sim world, then this is a hit. IL2 did not survive this long due to graphics even though it's nice to have when u spend so much dough on your rig... it survived due to great gameplay and a strong community.
I cannot for my life understand the nitpicking about how explosions look.. not only because it's WIP but also that it is waaaaay down low on priority list.


Maybe these "disses" is just a reflection of the people uttering them (cup is always half empty kinda people) or it is a reflection of that the community are very eager for the release and we need to talk about SOMEthing... I don't know.

Maybe I will be one of those that will not be attracted by this title in the end, but I choose to stay neutral until I actually get the chance to play it..
but yes.. I too look forward to the release .. we will just have to see what it brings us.

2 cents

I agree, but I think there is a difference between knit-picking for the sake of it and actual constructive criticism. I didn't save the quote, but Luthier did say that criticisms of the sim are essential at all stages in order for the sim to improve. For example, although it is arguably a very small aspect of the sim, Oleg asked me to send him lots of information on the RAF flight kit used in the BoB and I obliged and sent him a lot of information. Similarly, when members have posted and said that various features were wrong with the aircraft, the team looked into this, and efited the model if the member was found to be correct. Such a ping-ping motion between the developer and the customer is essential to ensure a great product.
I agree that in places people pick-apart features that may seem pointless to some (and some members have, in my opinion, said defamatory things against the developers) but again, we all have a different idea of what makes out perfect sim.
I agree with regards to gameplay vs eye-candy (hence why I don't play WoP as I thought the demo was aweful) but if BoB is as good as Il-2 gameplay wise, I think there is a fair market for eye-candy related issues.
That's just my opinion. There is a fine-line between constructive criticism and pointless posts which stir flame wars. I think most of us are mature enough to see the difference (and I can hold my hands up and say that I have made posts in the past which many may feel fall into the latter category).

[F19_Klunk]

u have totally a legit point mate.. I think u know what I meant

We haven't see a hi-def, hi F/X and high detail movie yet...
And the movies we saw were lo res with average machines...And it may not be totally photorealistic, but ...it already looks very good..So , what could go wrong ?

Salute !

[fireflyerz]

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