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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

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Old 02-08-2011, 05:17 PM
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I have deleted some posts in this thread, lets keep it positive please.
So in the name of not being sufficiently 'positive', you deleted the entirely of several of my posts? How pleasant to know that anyone not being 'positive' is no longer allowed to comment, what a nicely nuanced appreciation of people's concerns. What I said was:

It was not immature; it was a discussion based on the opportunity cost of the development of a particular product by a small team. Please see all the other posts full of 'ZOMG' and 'LOL' prior to opining that my reasoned argument about relative value was immature. For goodness, sake I said I'LL BUY IT, I am also entitled to question why a love interests is considered an import part of a fight sim, or am I the only one here that thinks this a tad odd?

That is a relevant and reasonable position.
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Old 02-08-2011, 05:39 PM
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Looks like the renegade thing is confirmed.
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Old 02-08-2011, 06:06 PM
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I am very disappointed that there will be no dynamic campaign. I really don't understand Oleg's decision. The Battle of Britain would be a perfect scenario for a dynamic campaign and even an old game like Lucasfilm Games "Their Finest Hour: The Battle of Britain" (1989) had one.
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Old 02-08-2011, 06:12 PM
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I am very disappointed that there will be no dynamic campaign. I really don't understand Oleg's decision. The Battle of Britain would be a perfect scenario for a dynamic campaign and even an old game like Lucasfilm Games "Their Finest Hour: The Battle of Britain" (1989) had one.
I think I read that Oleg said it was taking too long but we will get dynamic campaigns later on. So why panic?
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Old 02-08-2011, 06:24 PM
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"OLEG: Given the likely shelf-life of the sim, there’s sure to be dynamic campaigns created by third parties, as there was with the original Il-2."

For me that doesn't sound as if Oleg's team will work on a dynamic campaign. I guess he means something like Lowengrins DCG. But maybe I just don't understand it correct.
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Old 02-08-2011, 07:48 PM
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"OLEG: Given the likely shelf-life of the sim, there’s sure to be dynamic campaigns created by third parties, as there was with the original Il-2."

For me that doesn't sound as if Oleg's team will work on a dynamic campaign. I guess he means something like Lowengrins DCG. But maybe I just don't understand it correct.
Ilya wrote in another thread about this issue:


There's bits and pieces. We made a decision about 18 months ago that we wouldn't be able to make it right, and we'd rather build good static campaigns instead. So it's been on a backburner for some time.

I'm the guy who wrote a bunch of giant 100-page design docs for the dynamic campaign, so it was a very hard decision for me personally.

There's probably at least a year of work left on it to make it great. We could have make something like an Il-2 level dynamic campaign in a few months, but I don't want to do that at all. I want it to be ground-breaking and worthy of the rest of the game.


I understand the dissapointment for some offliners, but considering the small development team and estimated time for deveoping this, I think they made the right decision: focus on the actual engine, FM , etc etc.. otherwise this title would be deleyed even more...and as someone said.. mission makers will throw themselves at this in a rush.. there will be plenty of downloadable missions and let's just se what happens with the dynamic issue after the release.


regarding the sequel... I guessed Med but wished Pacific. Makes sense though to make a seq with re-usable planeset..makes ETA shorter
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Old 02-09-2011, 06:13 AM
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Ilya wrote in another thread about this issue:


There's bits and pieces. We made a decision about 18 months ago that we wouldn't be able to make it right, and we'd rather build good static campaigns instead. So it's been on a backburner for some time.

I'm the guy who wrote a bunch of giant 100-page design docs for the dynamic campaign, so it was a very hard decision for me personally.

There's probably at least a year of work left on it to make it great. We could have make something like an Il-2 level dynamic campaign in a few months, but I don't want to do that at all. I want it to be ground-breaking and worthy of the rest of the game.


I understand the dissapointment for some offliners, but considering the small development team and estimated time for deveoping this, I think they made the right decision: focus on the actual engine, FM , etc etc.. otherwise this title would be deleyed even more...and as someone said.. mission makers will throw themselves at this in a rush.. there will be plenty of downloadable missions and let's just se what happens with the dynamic issue after the release.


regarding the sequel... I guessed Med but wished Pacific. Makes sense though to make a seq with re-usable planeset..makes ETA shorter
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And remember Klunk, if we do get the Med there is a high probability that the B-25 is in there. Think of the SvAF Big Wing reenacted with a new high fidelity B25 over North Africa.

Will probably have to leave work for a month or two!
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nice interview I don't mind there being a story and I have to say it's a lovely story.
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PCG: Where next for the Cliffs of Dover engine? The Med? The Eastern Front? Korea?

OLEG: I can’t tell you the exact area or name of the title yet (market factors will have a say) but I personally prefer the Med.
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and the presentation of Battle For Moscow? i was waiting for fly Bf109F

Med? Mediterraneo?what time and what place? MALTA 1941-1942? Tunez? Sicily? i wanna know!
I believe is more best East, Med have similar aircraft that Cliffs Of Dover.
For some geography and aircraft Different, Finnish Conflict 1941 will be great. Or East conflict. Or Flying Tigers maybe. or Sino Japanesse conflicts prewar.
but Med is okay, anything of il2 is OK for me
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Old 02-11-2011, 11:40 AM
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I think I read that Oleg said it was taking too long but we will get dynamic campaigns later on. So why panic?
Agreed - this game will be much more mod friendly than IL2 so I am sure we will see this and many other things from the community. I am glad they are getting the game out now instead of spending more time to do dynamic campaign(although I want it).

I play Arma 2 military sim, which is very mod friendly, and you should see all the really cool addons, missions, dynamic campaigns that have been made for that game. It is like 100 games in one. My hope is COD will be supported by the community in the same way.
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