Spit sabotaged, Goering releieved

[PE_Tihi]

Originally Posted by fruitbat

Did you actually even read what i said before you spouted back off.

lateral been fixed in the upcoming fix patch.

+1 on you clearly don't know what trim does.

also, your convergence is to far out. 200m is much better.

I certainly read the two sentences you wrote. And I red the 82 items of the list of fixes for the patch. Found no mention of the spit stabillity problem.

From your other forum posts, I suspect you confuse the lateral trim and lateral stability issues here. Lateral (pitch) trim issue is unpleasant only, pushing the nose up all the time. Pitch and yaw stabillity makes the plane wallow around, on the other hand. As for the trim and what it does, I certainly know that better than writing on this forum demands.

As for my convergence ranges-I certainly do not put them on the distance where I cannot hit. On the Tempest it is even 380 m. And am a bad shot compared to some I know

[JtD]

"The characteristics of the control free lateral oscillation were determined by trimming the airplane for steady flights and then deflecting the rudder and releasing the controls. Records were taken of the subsequent variations of sideslip angle. The measurements were made in the curising condition at 125 and 200 miles per hour. The damping of the oscillation satisfactory met the requirement of reference 1. At 200 miles per hours, one oscillation and at 125 miles per hours 1.5 oscillations were required for the motion to damp to one-half amplitude."

Taken from NACA wartime report "Measurements of the flying qualities of a Supermaring VA airplane". Feel free to compare to in game.

If real life reference is not your point, I'd recommend you go to the difficulty panel and switch off torque effects.

[PE_Tihi]

Originally Posted by JtD

"The characteristics of the control free lateral oscillation were determined by trimming the airplane for steady flights and then deflecting the rudder and releasing the controls. Records were taken of the subsequent variations of sideslip angle. The measurements were made in the curising condition at 125 and 200 miles per hour. The damping of the oscillation satisfactory met the requirement of reference 1. At 200 miles per hours, one oscillation and at 125 miles per hours 1.5 oscillations were required for the motion to damp to one-half amplitude."

Taken from NACA wartime report "Measurements of the flying qualities of a Supermaring VA airplane". Feel free to compare to in game.

If real life reference is not your point, I'd recommend you go to the difficulty panel and switch off torque effects.

This report is not about torque effects but about the static stability about the vertical (yaw) axis.
If you want lower damping so that the planes get nastier to fly and aim, please do apply that to ALL of them, AND NOT THE SPIT ONLY. I am just trying to imagine the general outcry in such a case.
Now, you can feel free to compare all the other planes to the NACA report. Or do you think the Spit was an especially unstable and unpleasant plane?

[PE_Tihi]

Please, whoever writes expecting my answer, do spare me the bs of the local senior member kind here.

[BadAim]

Thi, The main problem is that your raving about what is at worst a bug like it's something that matters. It's not. Then you accuse the developer of doing this or that to ruin your favorite plane on purpose. That's the stupidest bloody thing I've ever heard of. I really can't believe reasonable people are wasting their valuable time trying to explain anything to you.

If you have an issue with something, bring it up like an adult, air your grievance like an adult, then move the hell on like an adult.

You can call me a fanboi all you want, but it pisses me off when I see people that I respect and who work their butts of (often for free) to provide us a passtime abused like this.

No one is saying that you shouldn't say your piece, just that you should try showing a modicum of respect. Is respect that out of style?

Alternatively you can go make your own bloody flight sim and fly it by yourself. This also goes for all the rest of your whining buddies.

To the ignore list with you!

[PE_Tihi]

Originally Posted by BadAim

Thi, The main problem is that your raving about what is at worst a bug like it's something that matters. It's not. Then you accuse the developer of doing this or that to ruin your favorite plane on purpose. That's the stupidest bloody thing I've ever heard of. I really can't believe reasonable people are wasting their valuable time trying to explain anything to you.

If you have an issue with something, bring it up like an adult, air your grievance like an adult, then move the hell on like an adult.

You can call me a fanboi all you want, but it pisses me off when I see people that I respect and who work their butts of (often for free) to provide us a passtime abused like this.

No one is saying that you shouldn't say your piece, just that you should try showing a modicum of respect. Is respect that out of style?

Alternatively you can go make your own bloody flight sim and fly it by yourself. This also goes for all the rest of your whining buddies.

To the ignore list with you!

I ll make an exception of answering to another senior member bs. Dear senior member, the amount of work and creativity that has flown into this game EVEN BEFORE DT CAME TO EXISTENCE is enormous. To my eyes, this could never justify the outright lying of Mr Maddox about the plane performances. Making the Spit the only plane with quite unpleasant flying qualities is simply another dishonesty OF THE SAME KIND, with all the due respect for the enormous work DT has done. So don't turn to me. I simply don't mince words, that s all.

[Falke]

Belligerent

[fruitbat]

i've already told you that what your arguing about is fixed in the bug fix patch.

so this is largely a waste of time, but hey ho.

[JtD]

Torque effect is what is giving you the instability you can't deal with, so if you switch it off, you can stop whining.

The NACA report is not about the static stability. Damped Oscillations are not static.

Why would it be useful to compare all planes to the Spitfire NACA report?

If you have the resources to research, check and if necessary reprogram lateral stability for all planes currently present, I'm sure TD would be more than glad to have you among them.

[PE_Tihi]

Originally Posted by JtD

Torque effect is what is giving you the instability you can't deal with, so if you switch it off, you can stop whining.

The NACA report is not about the static stability. Damped Oscillations are not static.

Why would it be useful to compare all planes to the Spitfire NACA report?

If you have the resources to research, check and if necessary reprogram lateral stability for all planes currently present, I'm sure TD would be more than glad to have you among them.

I am not going to explain the difference between the static and dynamic stability to you here. I repeat , the NACA report is on the static stability about the yaw axis. The torque is only a complicating factor; what has been changed is the stabillity and damping factors and not the torque.
It is only the Spitfire and the Spitfire only to get this kind of a flight model with the low damping factors about the vertical and lateral axes ( yaw and pitch)
Even if we proclaim these values realistic, all the other planes fly with the much stronger damping factors. Now, do you really beleive the Spitfire had by far the least static stability and most unpleasant flying qualities of all the WWII fighters?