Friday 2011-02-04 Dev. update and Discussion

Originally Posted by BadAim

Sorry Nearmiss, mate, but I can't hold it in any longer........

Here is your real answer, Tree : The reason that the Devs are holding back is that 99.99999 percent of the people that are coming here are going to buy COD based on what they have seen so far, and wasting time that can be used to further improve the game to try to make you happy is just stupid, because you'll never be happy with anything, you've proven it just as well as Oleg and his fine crew have proved that they can make (most of) the rest of us happy.

Back to the ignore list with you.....

Wasting time to make a 3 minute recording on a high end PC. Have a word with yourself Badaim, think of how many more sales will be generated knowing that if you have the right gear you can run this game maxed out. We want this game to be successful, we want it to sell shed loads of copies, we want reviewers to sing its praises, but we also want to see it to believe it. For the record i dont really give a rats ass about the dynamic campaign, or the dynamic weather or the manned AA guns, I never believed that the game engine could cope with such features in the first place and I said so 2 years ago, Im not upset about the DRM, its all cool with me. However I would like to know that if im chasing a Bomber over a town or city that Im not going to drop down to 5 FPS.

[Kikuchiyo]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Wasting time to make a 3 minute recording on a high end PC. Have a word with yourself Badaim, think of how many more sales will be generated knowing that if you have the right gear you can run this game maxed out. We want this game to be successful, we want it to sell shed loads of copies, we want reviewers to sing its praises, but we also want to see it to believe it. For the record i dont really give a rats ass about the dynamic campaign, or the dynamic weather or the manned AA guns, I never believed that the game engine could cope with such features in the first place and I said so 2 years ago, Im not upset about the DRM, its all cool with me. However I would like to know that if im chasing a Bomber over a town or city that Im not going to drop down to 5 FPS.

I think you miss the point. Other than reviewers of combat flight sims general mass market reviewers will not sing it's praises for the most part. It will be great for what it is, and hopefully those of us that are dedicated to this genre and want to see it flourish will bring new players under our wings with this sim. I have no faith in reviewers for anything that isn't Battlefield Halo of Wars Generic FPS for consoles.

From what I have seen for Cliffs of Dover and from this development house I have faith that this will be the finest CFS any of us have seen. Rise of Flight released with only what 4 planes? The only other "hot" combat flight sims out there are the DCS series and each of those two sims only cover 1 plane each, and they don't have as advanced of a flight model or damage model from what I've seen. I honestly believe even with an earlier than fully ready release of Cliffs of Dover may truly be able to reinvigirate the genre as a whole. I myself have convinced at least several (3) other people to give this game a go, and none of them are fans of flight sims, but have a passing interest in the concept.

Instead of arguing in and amongst ourselves and moaning over possible bad reviews from paid to review games reviewers it is WE who need to spread the word, and nitpicking over minute details detracts from it all.

We should be the heralds we shouldn't be arguing because the shade of the insturment panel is off by 1 metric, or of HDRR vs their own ground up lighting system. We need to be bringing fresh blood in with as much tenacity as 1C Maddox is trying to do with scalable difficulty.

[furbs]

True and im sure we will all do our bit...but wouldnt it be easier if we had a fantastic HD video to show them?

[ElAurens]

Originally Posted by furbs

wouldnt it be easier if we had a fantastic HD video to show them?

Folks, we need to remember that advertising is not Olegs's or Luthier's job. It's the job of the publisher. That would be 1C in Russia and UBI everywhere else.

What Oleg and Luthier are doing in the weekly updates is taking us along on the journey of the development of the new sim. Giving us insight on how things are progressing, keeping their loyal, established, customers in the loop. They don't have to do this. Almost no other developer that I know of does. We are being allowed to see the progression of the making of the sim. Isn't that way better than say, Microsoft's misleading adverts for their flight sims that are basically just very expensive CGI and not reflective of what you actually are getting?

Isn't it better than being totally in the dark for years and then all of a sudden some publisher makes an announcement out of the blue that a new sim will be ready for sale shortly?

This is all part of the adventure of our little avocation. Stop grumbling about it and come along for the ride, it's a lot more fun.

Originally Posted by ElAurens

Folks, we need to remember that advertising is not Olegs's or Luthier's job. It's the job of the publisher. That would be 1C in Russia and UBI everywhere else.

What Oleg and Luthier are doing in the weekly updates is taking us along on the journey of the development of the new sim. Giving us insight on how things are progressing, keeping their loyal, established, customers in the loop. They don't have to do this. Almost no other developer that I know of does. We are being allowed to see the progression of the making of the sim. Isn't that way better than say, Microsoft's misleading adverts for their flight sims that are basically just very expensive CGI and not reflective of what you actually are getting?

Isn't it better than being totally in the dark for years and then all of a sudden some publisher makes an announcement out of the blue that a new sim will be ready for sale shortly?

This is all part of the adventure of our little avocation. Stop grumbling about it and come along for the ride, it's a lot more fun.

Well said S!

[proton45]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Wasting time to make a 3 minute recording on a high end PC. Have a word with yourself Badaim, think of how many more sales will be generated knowing that if you have the right gear you can run this game maxed out. We want this game to be successful, we want it to sell shed loads of copies, we want reviewers to sing its praises, but we also want to see it to believe it. For the record i dont really give a rats ass about the dynamic campaign, or the dynamic weather or the manned AA guns, I never believed that the game engine could cope with such features in the first place and I said so 2 years ago, Im not upset about the DRM, its all cool with me. However I would like to know that if im chasing a Bomber over a town or city that Im not going to drop down to 5 FPS.

The absence of a "high end gaming computer" video clip is NOT a make it or break it issue...most people don't have a "state of the art" machine, and most people feel better about buying a game that looks and runs "as advertised"...I feel better knowing that I can get close to the results I have seen, in the up-dates, without having to spend $500 to $1000.

How many times have we been let down by dishonest advertising campaigns that dangle flashy video clips and Photoshop enhanced combat sequence that look nothing like the actual game? Too many times to count...thats how many.


Yea...ok, it might be interesting to see how the game would look on an expensive machine, but we all know how anti-aliasing works, and we all know that the more you spend the better it looks. This is not a critical area...its a puff piece.

[mazex]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Wasting time to make a 3 minute recording on a high end PC. Have a word with yourself Badaim, think of how many more sales will be generated knowing that if you have the right gear you can run this game maxed out. We want this game to be successful, we want it to sell shed loads of copies, we want reviewers to sing its praises, but we also want to see it to believe it. For the record i dont really give a rats ass about the dynamic campaign, or the dynamic weather or the manned AA guns, I never believed that the game engine could cope with such features in the first place and I said so 2 years ago, Im not upset about the DRM, its all cool with me. However I would like to know that if im chasing a Bomber over a town or city that Im not going to drop down to 5 FPS.

C'mon Tree, your not stupid so can't you understand that they are not content yet with the RC and therefore they don't want to show an attack by a full squadron of Spitfires attacking 50+ He 111:s over London until they really have to? Like said, the couple of thousand sim/ww2 nerds here (accept swiss who is not a nerd ) will buy it anyway...