Friday 2011-02-04 Dev. update and Discussion

[mazex]

Originally Posted by Oleg Maddox

I have modern video record where the sound of P-39 we may hear from another fighter from which this record was done. And it was done with the professional equipment but not with the light, small and simple camcoder that can record nothing really (most records on youtube are done exactly by camcoders with internal mics).... or by other words don't selectively working like it is with the system of Human ears + brain...

Another my own experinece in yak-52 flying near the Yak-18T... I was able to hear and to define the directions of outside flying plane flying some 30 menters near my plane... And I was in a helment that is very similar to WWII time...

Also, please tell me, can the bullet hit to the wing of the aircratf hear the pilot? If you will say me can, then I will put here the real measurement of the sound from the hit of bullet to the wing and the sound of fighter propeller (not the engine even!) on a distance of the 50 meters in decibels for comparison. Then you will tell me who is right

Agree, You can definitely hear other planes when flying near them. I have also
flown the YAK-52 in formation with another 52 and you sure hear the engine (and that is the "most" WWII plane I've flown - and the engine in the YAK is really far from an over reving DB601 ) ... Which goes for a bunch of other aircraft I've been formation flying with IRL.

Anyone that has heard a Warbird close can try to shield the sound with some plexiglass Sure - the own engine is loud - but as it is in one resonance band the other engine never will be in the same "sound spectra" and you will hear it if near even with a thick helmet and headset. I just read "First Light" by Geoffrey Wellum where he mentions hearing the engines of the first He 111 he attacked (and nearly crashed into while being to eager to keep firing as long as he could). We know that from IL2 online, don't we? . Sorry! Noob! wft? Etc..

[JG52Uther]

The fairly limited planeset will not matter at all,because I have a feeling that people are going to have to pick a plane and learn it inside out before being any good at all.
I think the days of multiple kills per sortie in full switch servers will disappear.It will be hard enough just to fly a mission and get back in one piece.
Brilliant!

[White Owl]

Originally Posted by DC338

What sort of outside noises? Other aircraft? Can you point to the memoirs and formulas? I would like to see the arguments that you can hear much that goes on outside the cockpit.

I realize Oleg himself already answered this question very thoroughly... but I can't resist.

I have personally heard other aircraft passing by while I was in the air. This was in a small single-engine plane, wearing noise-cancellation headphones, and the other planes were two radial-engined warbirds passing by in formation about 100 yards away. And I'm a little hard of hearing too.

You're correct that you can't hear much detail about those other planes no matter how close they get, but it's certainly possible to hear if somebody's above and to the left, for example.

[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by White Owl

I realize Oleg himself already answered this question very thoroughly... but I can't resist.

I have personally heard other aircraft passing by while I was in the air. This was in a small single-engine plane, wearing noise-cancellation headphones, and the other planes were two radial-engined warbirds passing by in formation about 100 yards away. And I'm a little hard of hearing too.

That's crazy talk

[Hoverbug]

Originally Posted by DC338

What sort of outside noises? Other aircraft? Can you point to the memoirs and formulas? I would like to see the arguments that you can hear much that goes on outside the cockpit.

I can give you one from personal experience. I was in a Lake Amphibian (a very noisy plane) with some excellent David Clarks (headsets) on and we had an F-18 on a low-level training route cross in front of us at the same altitude at a distance of half a mile. I heard him at the same time I saw him and it was loud. That said, that's the only time in 4,000 hours of flying that I heard something outside the airplane while airborne, but then I never made any gun runs on Heinkels and passing within fifty feet of them.

So yes, it's possible to hear things outside a plane in flight - but only really loud things.

[Ctrl E]

luthier,

i know u have said distribution is up to the distributer, but surely you could raise concerns with UBI on behalf of your potential customers about the way this product is being rolled out in some parts of the world.

here in australia the UBI website directs you automatically to the AU region, where we are only able to buy CoD by download - no box or collectors' editions are being made available.

As you may have seen several people here have contacted UBI australia about this and have been told the product will not be shipped here.

the crime of it is the download does not take into account recent large rises in the price of the australian dollar, meaning the price we are being asked to pay for a download is almost equal to the cost of a boxed collectors' edition in europe. this is simply unfair.

the Il2 series has a large following in Australia, and I hope they will be treated properly.

[DC338]

Originally Posted by Hoverbug

I can give you one from personal experience. I was in a Lake Amphibian (a very noisy plane) with some excellent David Clarks (headsets) on and we had an F-18 on a low-level training route cross in front of us at the same altitude at a distance of half a mile. I heard him at the same time I saw him and it was loud. That said, that's the only time in 4,000 hours of flying that I heard something outside the airplane while airborne, but then I never made any gun runs on Heinkels and passing within fifty feet of them.

So yes, it's possible to hear things outside a plane in flight - but only really loud things.

The only reason I say this is a guy from work flies Spitfires for the temora museum (http://www.aviationmuseum.com.au/aircraft/) and he says flying in formation with another spit or Mustang and he definitely can't hear them. I would be interested to listen to Oleg's P-39 recording though. Guns firing would be audible but pretty quite I would assume given the difference in sound.

I just hate conducting a perfect bounce and when coming up from behind and below to have the guy suddenly break. The only explanation is they heard me coming.

[ChrisDNT]

Just my experience : I've flown once in a P3 very near to a DC-3, never heard anything.
I've also flown sometimes in jet fighters in formation with other jet fighters, never heard anything outside.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by DC338

I just hate conducting a perfect bounce and when coming up from behind and below to have the guy suddenly break. The only explanation is they heard me coming.

It's well known bug in IL2 - you have to use the crappiest sound settings available to exploit it.
Cool choice btw, shitty SFX vs spider sense.

Or - maybe he's an experienced pilot, spotted you and intentionally let you come closer. Breaks work much better if you surprise the aggressor.

I would far rather see a beautifully rendered, sharp and antialiased plane at 500m and to make a positive ID when it counts.

Amen.